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Title: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on May 11, 2009, 05:09:20 am
Have been watching this forum for over a year and wishing I had a B-12 and finally i found one in Quebec a week ago.  The machine is a 1948 and was origninally a varnished  one.  It is now painted red and I want to get it back to the original finish.  My question is,  was the plywood birch or maple.  Can't seem to tell.  Great site,  thanks.

Frank Lowell
Newry,  Maine
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 11, 2009, 01:14:56 pm

  According to Cam McLean, he says the original frames were made from maple & the plywood used then was 1/4" birch. I'm not sure but I think he used a spar varnish on his machines.
  Do you have any pictures to show what she looks like now ??
   

Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on May 12, 2009, 04:48:44 am
Thanks Old Trucker.  I think it is birch.  I am not too good at getting photos on the site so bear with me.
       

Frank
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: Averyman on May 12, 2009, 05:54:05 am
Welcome Frank..
My '51 B-12 is constructed with birch veneer over a maple frame. Outer finish is varnish with a deep red pinstriping.
Clarence
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 12, 2009, 06:02:27 am

  Averyman, how thick is the veneer on your machine ? Your machine is original too, isn't it ?
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on May 12, 2009, 11:15:18 am
Averyman--

Do you have any Photos??


Thanks.

Frank
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 12, 2009, 03:20:09 pm

  Old Sledz... if you look under narrow gauge you will find a post called Averyman's bombardier pictures. There's a couple there.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on May 13, 2009, 04:41:56 am
Thanks.



Frank
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: Averyman on May 15, 2009, 09:41:54 am
The veneer on my machine is 1/4 inch - 3 ply. Yes, it is all origional, could use a refinishing job but I am hesitant to tamper with it because it has never been touched and the origional  pinstriping would be lost. What is the general feeling out there, refinish or leave it origional ? It is always shedded when not in use so is protected from the elements.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on May 15, 2009, 11:16:33 am
Thanks for the info.  Mine unfortunately was painted red sometime in the late sixties--at least best that I can tell.  I don't know if i can strip it or not.  I know I have to change the sheet that goes from the windshield the the crossmember just behind the driver's seat and most likely the 2 strips on each side of the radiator vent.  I may try some paint stripper instead of sanding it just because it is only 1/4" thick.

Thanks again..
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 15, 2009, 04:33:45 pm
Thanks Old Trucker.  I think it is birch.  I am not too good at getting photos on the site so bear with me.
      

Frank
  Frank if you like you can email me your pics & I'll put them on here for you.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 17, 2009, 03:52:37 am

  Here are a few pics of oldsledz's bomber. Good looking machine !!

   http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/img_0079.jpg

   http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/img_0084.jpg

   http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/img_0026.jpg

   http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/img_0001.jpg
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 17, 2009, 04:18:29 am
Thanks for the info.  Mine unfortunately was painted red sometime in the late sixties--at least best that I can tell.  I don't know if i can strip it or not.  I know I have to change the sheet that goes from the windshield the the crossmember just behind the driver's seat and most likely the 2 strips on each side of the radiator vent.  I may try some paint stripper instead of sanding it just because it is only 1/4" thick.

Thanks again..
  Frank why don't you try sanding or use paint stripper on those pieces that you are planning to change. There's nothing to lose ! At least then you'll have an idea on which is the better way to go !!
                                                                                                            OT.
                                                                                                   
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 17, 2009, 05:53:50 am

  Frank what are your plans for the motor ?? Is it original to the bomber ?
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on May 18, 2009, 02:25:17 pm
I am going to attempt to strip the paint first.  And yes it is the original matching motor to the machine.   My plans are to just change all the gaskets and seals,  re-detail the engine compartment in gray,  re-paint the motor and transmission,  change  the seals in the rear end,  check all the wheel bearings and make sure the bogie suspension is good and free.    Does anyone know if i can still get the motor mounts??  The one under the front pulley is not in the best of shape.

Thanks Old Trucker for posting for me!!  Great site.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 18, 2009, 03:20:12 pm

  Hopefully the engine will look like this one. This is a 235 in a 58 Dodge power wagon.

  http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/bombers/DSCF0271.jpg
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 19, 2009, 11:15:07 am
 
  Frank, try vintagepowerwagon.com . Here is an email from one of our members. Thought I'd pass it on to you. Good Luck !!

hello claude  i checked the northern tracks forum tonight and i noticed that the new guy "oldsledz" was inquiring about a new front motor mount.they may still be available from after market suppliers.there are companys that make parts for the old dodge trucks which use the same mount.if he can't find one he could use a piece of conveyer belt of the right thickness and two bolts with locknuts.im registered on a forum called  p15-d24.the members deal mainley with old dodge vehicles and i believe most members are from the united states.the web site is:  www.p15-d24.com he could give them a try.they may be able to tell him where to get the mount.   
 
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on May 19, 2009, 11:44:18 am
Funny you mentioned Vintage Power Wagons.  I just finished restoring my  1952 Dodge m-37 army truck last year that has been in the family since 1962 and I dug up their old catalog.--Parts got ordered today.   FYI  you can also get parts from  robertsmotorparts.com  he does old dodge and chryslers.  The good thing is you talk to the owner and he has a wealth of knowledge.  He was amazed that the old bombers had chryslers in them. 

Frank
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 20, 2009, 03:51:41 am

   Oldsledz keep us posted on your progress with pics & words. We don't have very many woody rebuilds. If you stain it I have a couple of pics of the pinstriping that you could use for reference.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 21, 2009, 08:46:26 am

  This is a view of the dash area of oldsledz's 1948 b12.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/BOMBARDIERB12007.jpg

  Below is the email that Frank sent to me.

 Claude, This is the interior shot of my '48 B-12 and Charles tells me this is the standard heater in this machine and they made a deluxe one that went over the clutch and brake pedal. All the photos look the same as my 48 except I don't have a dimmer switch on the floor like that one does. I would post photo on N.T. but the file is too big for the site so I figured I would just forward it to you. Good luck getting it home. Hope you find that tag. Frank

  Does anyone know how many different original heaters were put into these machines. Below are a couple of pics of one of Cam's rebuilds. Does the heater on this one look like it's original ?

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/June252006001.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/June252006004.jpg

Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 25, 2009, 03:44:52 am

   How is the paint stripping going ? Are you getting down to the raw wood ? I hope you are taking pics of your progress so I can have something to go by when I do one of my own !!
   Please keep us updated !! Thanks.
                                                                   The Old Trucker
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on May 25, 2009, 06:24:02 pm
O.T. 

Worked on the b12 all day.  Started at 7:30 this morning and got about 1/3 of the interior sanded down and it is looking real nice.  Started using paint stripper on the exterior and it takes 3 coats of stripper to get to bare wood,  then sand it with a finish sander. That part is going slow,  but I have until December to move it out of the shop.  Left my camera at work so I will shoot some photos tomorrow night.   Did you get the B12 carcass home the other day??

Frank
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 26, 2009, 04:18:12 am
 
  Waiting for my friend to get a trailer. Hopefully some time this week. Please keep posting on your progress. If you want any pics posted on here, you can send them to me if you like..

    Frank I don't think I'll find the " ID " tag. He told me his inlaws had it by their place for years before they gave it to him. But he says he'll look around there for me.

                                                                               OT.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 27, 2009, 05:42:41 am
     A few pics of oldsledz's restore !! Keep it up Frank. your doing just great !!! Below is a part of his email.
 
Interior is starting to look real nice. I have a whole day so far in justgetting the interior stripped. It is going to look good. I got my 1/4"birch plywood in and it looks just like the original so I am excited to getit together. A friend of mine is coming up on Friday to look at strippingall the paint off the outside and he is a finish painter so he will do allthe inside varnishing. All the gaskets will be changed on the motor nextweek, so I think by the end of June I should have the motor in and theinterior finished. The outside paint should be started sometime in August,then I will take the tracks off and do all the wheels.

Here is the data off my tag. Model b 12 c sChassis 8a 8050Motor number 1165cCommande number 04137Date Fab 29 11 48 .

Frank if I'm seeing & reading this right, your machine was built in a leap year !!! That should make her more special !!!
                             
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Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on May 27, 2009, 06:38:37 am
O.T.

I wish it was leap year,  but that is November  29th,  1948.
frank
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 27, 2009, 08:06:12 am

  There you go. Stupidity on my part. I don't know what I was thinking when I was reading that part. Grfishmaker you be quiet. Don't say a word!!!
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 27, 2009, 08:59:42 am

   Frank can you take a couple of pics of the metal brackets that help to hold the body together. Is there 7 brackets per side ?? Thanks.
                                                  OT.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: grfishmaker on May 28, 2009, 07:39:10 pm

  There you go. Stupidity on my part. I don't know what I was thinking when I was reading that part. Grfishmaker you be quiet. Don't say a word!!!
I'm not saying a word. Just sitting here shaking my head my friend. Newfies! What can I say? Lord help us all. ha ha
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on May 29, 2009, 03:46:25 am

   Well someone has to get some of you Westerners to smile & I see it's starting to work !!! Ha Ha Ha !!!! I have reached my goal.
 
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on June 02, 2009, 07:58:38 am

    "SODA BLASTING"
  Anyone have any thoughts &/or experience about using baking soda for blasting instead of sand ?? They say it's environmentally friendly. I am curious of how it would work on cleaning wood without removing too much material.
  I was thinking about in oldsledz's case. May be easier to get in around the nooks & corners, therefore doing a much cleaner & neater job, making the end result much better looking.
  Can anyone add to this ??
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on June 03, 2009, 09:38:46 am

   Frank can you take a couple of pics of the metal brackets that help to hold the body together. Is there 7 brackets per side ?? Thanks.
                                                  OT.

  Thanks for those photos Frank. They clearly show how the body is secured to the frame. I'm hoping to pick up my frame on Monday.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on June 09, 2009, 02:51:00 pm
   Here's an update of oldsledz's restoration job. Looks like he's making good progress.

 Coming along very well, worked on the removing the bad plywood this morning, hope to template it and put it on after I finish stripping the old vanish off the interior, then I will strip the exterior. Motor has all new gaskets and seals then painted with Chrysler blue ceramic engine paint.  Frank

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/BOMBARDIERB12146.jpg

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Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on June 14, 2009, 04:21:39 am
     Another update from OLDSLEDZ 

Charles, you are right, i have many copies of the newspaper from Sherbrooke in the doors of the b-12. Most of them are dated April 28, 1948. Some of them are in french and some in english. Very interesting. And I did throw in a pic of my '52 dodge m-37 army truck. My father bought it in 1962 and that was the first vehicle I ever drove. I restored it last year.

Frank

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http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/img_0061.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/img_0064.jpg

Worked on the Bomber all day today with allot of progress. Interior is clean of the old varnish, removed the side panels, removed the tin behind the front springs and blasted them clean and they are now painted. Will try to strip off the paint off the sides tomorrow. coming along very well. Hope to be ready by winter!

Frank

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Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on June 14, 2009, 04:29:19 am
  Jeez Frank, your making my ol' ticker skip a beat !!! These pics will help me immensely in building my woody if everything works out with the frame.
  In the pic with your son with his arm on the hood, when you take more pics, could you get a couple closeups of the area behind his right shoulder. The area around the lower windshield corners. I would like to see how the wood is tied in.
                                 
                                                                          Thanks, OT.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on June 22, 2009, 05:08:38 am

  Oldsledz my horn cover has a tan color ring, similar to yours. Can't tell the color of the column, too much rust.  It has three screws holding it from the underside. Two of them are rusted off & the third will have to be cut off. Do anyone know if there is some kind of kit that will make it operational again ??
  When i took off some of the rotted panels, I noticed that there was a blue color in the hard to get at places, so I'm thinking she began life with a blue skin.
  I will check out about sand blasting the frame this week.

                                                                                         OT.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on June 22, 2009, 05:36:50 am
O.T.

I think the steering column is a chrysler product--any one out there,  please correct me.  So i would assume if you could get the horn button off, you can get a replacement.  Sounds like you have a blue machine.

Frank
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on June 22, 2009, 05:47:53 am

    10-4 !!! I was thinking I could get a kit to fit under the horn cover, keeping it original looking. I know there are kits available to repair the wheel itself. 8)
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on June 30, 2009, 09:21:32 am
 
  LATEST UPDATE OF OLDSLEDZ REBUILD !!!

    Frank, by the looks of things you are going all the way with her!! Looks great !! All these pics are just perfect for when I start mine. 

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/BOMBARDIERB12177.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/BOMBARDIERB12180.jpg

Looks like a factory paint job !!

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/BOMBARDIERB12179.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/BOMBARDIERB12178.jpg

  Frank do you know where the switch is located for the horn ? I found a wire coming out of the third cross member where the steering column mounts but can't find the other end of it.

    Keep up the great work !!!                  OT.             
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on June 30, 2009, 09:42:52 am
O.T.

I belive that the wire comes from the horn button to the horn at the rear of the machine.  It is basically just a ground When you push the button,  it would complete the circuit.

Frank
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on July 04, 2009, 11:52:22 am

  Oldsledz, how did you get on with the gauges you sent out to be restored ?? Did they turn out good ??
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on July 05, 2009, 07:31:26 pm
I will send a pic of the gauges.  All restored and look excellent.  Will also send along the pics of all the plywood being cut.

Frank
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on July 06, 2009, 11:00:48 am
 
  AND HERE THEY ARE !!

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/img_0072.jpg

  Where & who did the fine looking job on the heater ?? What color is it ??

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/img_0086.jpg

 HEY, WHO'S THE TEENAGERS STANDING ALONG SIDE YOU & CHARLES !!!

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/img_0073.jpg

 I will add the other pics for you when I receive them. Keep up the great work!! Excellent job ...
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on July 14, 2009, 09:33:51 am

  Oldsledz what are you using for stain ?? It look's good...
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on July 14, 2009, 01:32:46 pm

 Sorry folks I screwed up on the pics. We'll start over again.

AND HERE IS THE LATEST UPDATE FROM OLDSLEDZ !!!

Sled is coming along quite well. My son and I put the motor and transmission in tonight. Got the stain and varnish on all the interior surfaces and that is all finished. Going to do all the wiring and gauges, put on all the engine components, radiator and such and then put on the exterior plywood, sand all edges to fit then final stain and coat. More pics to follow as progress allows.

Frank
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http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/img_0002.jpg


  I have a couple of pics doubled up. That's oldsledz fault because he' doing too good a job with it. Keep up the great work my friend.

Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on July 14, 2009, 02:44:42 pm
O.T.

I am using Sikkens #085 Teak with 3 coats of Marine Varnish (on the interior)  Once the plywood is assembled. I am going to spray the outside with a HPLV gun to reduce any dust so with luck the finish should be quite smooth.  AND,  anyone out there please correct me on any of my methods of restoration.  This is my first Bombardier so it is a learning experience.  I have done many Sno-travelers,  but this one is a different animal.       O.T. --- thanks for posting these for me. 

Frank
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on July 16, 2009, 12:55:12 pm

   Only too glad to be of help to you my friend !! Besides I know it will make my job a lot easier, now that I can go by the pics.

   I'm still waiting to have the frame blasted. I'll soon get out the old grinder & use one of those flap sanders. Only reason I'm hanging on is because the price is right. Save $ 400.00 bucks!!!! That's a lot to go towards other parts. Hey, I got lots of time.

                                                                          The Old Trucker   
                               
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on August 31, 2009, 06:39:34 am
  HERE'S OLDSLEDZS NEWEST UPDATE !!


O.T.

Finally getting back to work on the b-12 after taking most of August away from it. Got the front and roof on this weekend and also 3-coat varnished all the mating surfaces so hopefully the wood will last a long time. Hope to put the sides on this weekend then stain and 4 coat the exterior. Not sure how many screws it has taken so far, but I got 700. The are put on exactly as Bombardier did.

Frank



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  When I put these pics on, I went to preview to make sure all was OK. I must have been there for 20
sizing them up before I realized what I was doing. Mister man, Cam, you & the rest are doing a beautiful job restoring these machines to their original beauty & the level of workmanship is going to be hard to meet, but I'm willing to try my best to come close.
  I see now why you coated the insides of the panels first. It should last a long time.

                                                                                                              The Old Trucker


            
  

Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on September 06, 2009, 06:01:55 am

   THE BEST IS YET TO COME !!!

   Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words !!   :o 8).  I'm glad it is because Oldsledz got me stuck for words. Boy o' Boy Oldsledz, I'm going to have to hire you on as my carpenter.


O.T.

More work done this week end. More to come!!

Frank



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   There will be more pics coming & I am proud to do my little part & post them !!!  ;D
 
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on October 03, 2009, 04:48:59 am

  Oldsledz what kind of grade of plywood did you put on your bomber ??

                                                                                OT.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on October 03, 2009, 05:14:36 am
O.t.

I used 1/4" A-2 birch plywood.  I am in the lumber business and I could not find a marine type birch in 1/4" (at least not here in Maine).  So with that being said,  I pre finished the interior surfaces (3 coats marine varnish) and then assembled to the frame. One thing I made doubly sure of that ALL edges are sealed in 4 coats so I think it will do fine.  Also,  I will always garage it and I would not plan on leaving it out in the rain.  I just stained the outside on Thursday and hope to start the varnish next week.  I will send a couple of photos over.

Frank

P.S.  The birch was about 32.00 cost,  retail should be in the neighborhood of 41-42.00  I think I used 7 sheets total.  I used 3/4" marine plywood for the floor (fir)
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on October 03, 2009, 04:19:57 pm

   Here's the latest update to the already great looking "OLDSLEDZ"

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   Oldsledz all I was 2 pics. Below is what was in the email. Was there supposed to be 4 ??

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   You certainly know how to make a grown man cry !!!! My poor old father in law used to always say
    "My sonny boys you got her done now" . Sir, the stain you used on her certainly bought out the grain of the wood. I am very impressed sir, very impressed !!!

                                                                                                       OT.


 
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on October 03, 2009, 05:44:05 pm
O.T.

Yup,  just 2 photos for the moment.  Worked all day on the machine.   Cut and painted the floors,  fitted all the doors, (and then removed them)  now just waiting for my painter to HVLP the marine varnish which I am hoping for Tuesday.  Then connecting the new wiring harness and then a moment of silence before I attempt to start it!---------------Then phase 2,  skis,  and the suspension.
Thanks for posting the pictures.

Frank
 
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on October 04, 2009, 04:07:11 am

  Here's a qoute from Oldsledz;

     Re: Varnished Machine--
Reply #49 on: October 03, 2009, 06:14:36 AM Quote 

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O.t.

I used 1/4" A-2 birch plywood.  I am in the lumber business and I could not find a marine type birch in 1/4" (at least not here in Maine). 
  Oldsledz, the plywood you used, is it classified as #1 grade...good 2 sides ?? It looks like it is.
   
                                                                                                     OT.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on October 05, 2009, 04:37:45 am
That is correct,  the A-2 designation means good 2 sides and #1 grade.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on October 08, 2009, 05:34:26 am
   "AND WITH GREAT PRIDE HERE'S OLDSLEDZ NEWEST UPDATE !!!

  
Today is the first coat of marine varnish--done with an HVLP spray gun. Tomorrow another coat, then Friday--another.

Frank



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   Oldsledz, I don't know if I can post any more pics for you. My poor ol'
 ticker may not be able to stand much more of this.

    Ahh what odds, What a beautiful way to go.



                                                                                                  A weeping OT.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on October 13, 2009, 04:11:00 am
 
    OLD SLEDZ, I CAN SEE YOUR NOT WORRIED ABOUT MY HEALTH !!!  
    
O.T. hold on to your ticker.... Now have 4 coats of varnish on the machine. Next-- windshield, dash, wiring, doors.

More to come!!!!!

Old sledz

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   Well you ahhh.... if you did... or maybe....  :'( :-X  Sorry, gotta take a break & call 911 for backup. Man what a shine !!! I was sizing up the screws & it almost looks like you used a gyproc dimplier on them to get the same depth in the wood, but I couldn't see any marks around the screws. I'd say it took a bit of time to set them in just so.

   A word of warning to you OLD SLEDZ, you better be taking alot more pics. Keep the camera cord wrapped around your neck so you don't forget. Ha Ha ...( Next-- windshield, dash, wiring, doors ) Oldsledz I am very interested in these next steps. Please be sure to take lots of pics. Thanks !!

                                                                The Old Trucker is mighty proud of you son !!  
                                                                        
                                                                                             10/4 !!

                                                
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on October 19, 2009, 12:55:53 pm

   OLDSLEDZS MOST UP TO DATE UPDATE !!!


O.T.

Finished up most of the wiring today. Started the machine up for the first time tonight and surprisingly everything works right down to the fuel gauge. Next step--Install all the doors.

Oldsledz

   Mr. OLDSLEDZ, Sir !!! I just got back home yesterday evening. I was gone across the island to see the doc for another checkup.  I told him you were trying to put excessive strain on me by showing me your pics. He tells me not to worry cause he says he put the ENERGIZER batteries in. Whenever I feel down just give the pink bunny a call & he'll come top er' up !!!  So bring it on son !!!    Ha Ha Ha !! 
     
   Oldsledz those tail lights, are they GROTE or TRUCKLITE ?? They look great !!
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     OLDSLEDZ I like the knife blade switch idea for the ground on the battery. Also it looks like you still have something else to put on the dash over the speedo. It looks like there's no screw in the hole. I'm really impressed with the workmanship being put into this rebuild.

                                                                           Once again The Old Trucker is stuck for words.


Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on October 19, 2009, 01:17:47 pm
Good eye on the screw missing on the dash.  I actually took the other one out and put a 3/16" spacer behind both screws and re-installed them. The defroster works perfectly across the dash.  I had made a duct under the dash to accomodate it.  Not sure of the tail light brand,  but they did come on it when I bought it.  They are old for the lenses are glass and not plastic.  I just cleaned up the chrome and made new seals between the top and bottom to keep moisture out of the light. 

Oldsledz
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on October 19, 2009, 01:47:49 pm

   OLDSLEDZ, if you took a 1/8th bit & drilled a vent hole in the lowest part of the lens through to the inside it will keep your light dry inside at all times. What happens is heat from the bulb will gather inside causing moisture buildup & over time failure. This little hole prevents that & is unnoticeable.

                                                                                       The Old Trucker
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: grfishmaker on October 21, 2009, 11:49:55 am
 Oldsledz, you can park that machine right in my living room when you are done. I'll make the room. Beautiful job. Keep up the good work.
 In your second last post, I thought you were saying that OT had a "screw missing". I was all set to agrree with you untill I read it again.     now, now OT; just kidding ha ha
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on October 21, 2009, 06:44:58 pm
Grfishmaker,   truth be known,  i INTENTIONLY left that screw out to test O.T.'s attention to detail,  well the jury is out so I will have to do allot better job of keeping the details up to O.T.s strict specifications!!!!!!

Oldsledz
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on October 22, 2009, 04:16:11 am

   And don't you forget that either.... SONNY !!!! >:(  Ha Ha Ha !!!
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 05, 2009, 05:02:42 am
   Oldsledz, what happened to ya.  ??? ??? We never heard from you since the middle of last month!! :(  I hope you didn't take my last post seriously.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on November 05, 2009, 06:13:01 am
Sorry O.T.  for the radio silence.  I have been doing the "little" things to the b-12.  All the windows are in,  the 2 rear side doors are on.  Last night I took the skis off and am going to take the suspenson to my buddy the machinist to tighten up all the moving joints so the steering should be top shelf.   The interior is ready and I may pick it up this week-end.  Just got new interior door handles and escutions (1936-48 ford) so now I can assemble the door panels.  My goal this week end is to take the tracks off and pull the wheels,  check all the bearings,  paint the underside of the machine, and get the wheels painted.  So at this moment there are no WOW photos to send.  Anyway,  I am alive and well.  Had to close up the camp so that took up a week end, so now I am ready for the final push to finish by mid December.  I  owe you some templates and this is on my to do list as well.

Oldsledz
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 05, 2009, 06:50:17 am

  Just remember to take lots of pics. Good luck !!!! ;D :)
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 11, 2009, 12:00:37 pm
 
oldsledz

     paint code for the doors on varnished machine
on: June 29, 2009, 09:04:42 PM Quote 
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help!  Does anyone have the paint code for the metal doors on the varnished b12's?  Guy at the Bombardier museum gave me a BASF #79984 and it does not seem to work here at the local NAPA store.  i am sure it is the right number,  but it is and old one so it may  not be in any current data base.  Hulio,  did you re-paint your b-12 doors?
Thanks
Oldsledz
   
     Oldsledz did that BASF paint code work out OK, or did you use something else ??

                                                                                                              OT.
 
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on November 11, 2009, 03:03:19 pm
Negative.

Could not get the number to cross over here in the states so I ended up using a 1962 Chrysler color.  A bit lighter than I wanted,  but acceptable.

Oldsledz
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 12, 2009, 06:32:33 am

  Oldsledz I may be color blind but I looked around the internet just now & I thought I came up with a color that to me resembles what's on Cam's doors & looks similar to Houlios. PPG Industries has a # 81570, called Bahama Yellow.
  Also check out autocolorlibrary.com. Just may help. Do you think Bombardier would get upset if I painted my machine simalur to Cam's or yours instead of blue ?? 
 
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on November 12, 2009, 06:44:13 am
What I have found is that the color chip didt exactly match the color that Cam gave me.  I actually have a piece of the paint he used and matched it exactly to the chip,  but when it was painted,  it came out lighter.  It seems to match the color of the one on the Bombardier Museum website so I hope I am still within the parameter.

Oldsledz

P.S.  Natural wood is a thing of beauty.  One of my customers saw the machine,  "It looks like an old Chris Craft on snow"  Just my 2 cents worth.  I would love to have a blue and burgandy one as well.

Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 12, 2009, 10:22:41 am
Oldsledz Here With My Newest Update !!

   Parts everywhere! Got all the track and suspension parts out of the Bomber and the old style needle bearing suspension is a bit rusty and has worn grooves in the tin bushings so I am going to update it with bronze bushings so I can get another 60 years out it. Tires are off the rims and ready for sandblasting, all new bearings and seals are on order. I think I am finally on the home stretch with maybe another month or so. My local machinist has to make 3 new spindles for the bearings were run loose and damaged them. Another thing that I discovered are the 6 bushings that go behind the inner wheel bearings (the part the seal rides on) are also worn. Dan does not have them those are being made up also. Pulled out the axles last night and got to get new seals and bearings on order today for them as well. And last-- thanks to everyone on the N.T. forum for all the help, guidance, and information. It would have been allot tougher without it.    Oldsledz

 
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Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 12, 2009, 10:47:52 am

  QUOTE FROM OLDSLEDZ

  And last-- thanks to everyone on the N.T. forum for all the help, guidance, and information. It would have been allot tougher without it.    Oldsledz
 
Oldsledz.... I feel the same way !! Without this group of people I don't think I would have even thought about doing anything like this !!

                                                                                  The Old Trucker is Truckin' on Thru' !!!
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 13, 2009, 06:47:51 am
   Oldsledz I noticed in a couple of pics of your engine that you have the manifolds painted. What kind of paint did you use on them ?? And do you think the paint is going to stay on ??
   I noticed on the net that " vhtpaint.com/flameproof.html" has a paint that is good to 2,000 degrees of heat. Anyone think this will stay on ??
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on November 13, 2009, 11:16:18 am
GO to www.eastwood.com   they supply top notch restoration supplies.  I have used this paint on many of my antique snomobile restorations and it seems to last the longest.  Go on line and order a catalog.

Oldsledz
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 13, 2009, 07:28:01 pm
   

   Thanks. Got catalog coming.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 22, 2009, 09:15:47 am
    Another update from OLDSLEDZ 

Charles, you are right, i have many copies of the newspaper from Sherbrooke in the doors of the b-12. Most of them are dated April 28, 1948. Frank

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   Oldsledz, when I took the old wood off my doors it was stuffed with old newspapers also. Some of it was dated December 13, 1947. I'm thinking mine maybe a late 47 or early 48.
                                                                                                                  OT. 
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 23, 2009, 05:01:40 am

  OLDSLEDZS LATEST B12 UPDATE !!


Made more headway this weekend. Got the rubber lining on the 2 drive sprockets, stripped the old paint and rust off the bottom end of the frame and got that painted gloss black. Pulled off the two front steering spindles, repacked them with new grease, painted and re-installed them. Started to paint the gray on the exterior of the main body--that will take 3 coats. Next step is to make all new suspenion chains and bushings. Wheels are all sandblasted, new inner tubes installed and should get painted this week

Oldsledz

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Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 23, 2009, 05:16:17 am

   Oldsledz did you have much trouble putting on the lining on the sprockets & what material did you use ?? Was it pre cut ? I will be doing mine also. What screws did you use ??  Thanks.
                                                                                        OT.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on November 23, 2009, 06:00:01 am
Actually,  the rubber lining was not too hard to do.  It took about an hour per sprocket.  I got the material from Shavers and I believe it was 3" wide.  I used either #10 or #12 flat head stove bolts with 3/16" flat washers on the rubber side and lock washers on the back side.  It takes 2 clamps to hold them in place and once the screw was tight,  I would take the ball end of a ball peen hammer and concave the flat washer in and then do a final twist on the bolt to tightnen it down.    As the photos show,  you can see the remainder of the bolt for I got them long so it is easier to pull them in.  I used a cordless drill with a phllips tip to sinch them tight and then just cut the remainder off. 
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 24, 2009, 06:52:04 am
  Oldsledz. When you cut new round holes for your side windows did you cut same as original size or a little bigger to allow for the thickness of the new rubber ? I assume you used the old glass with new rubber. 

                                                                                         The Old Trucker
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on November 24, 2009, 10:04:57 am
I could not find the original style rubber,  but there are others that work, so I just cleaned up mine and used them again.  Luckily they were in pretty good shape. 

Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 27, 2009, 08:04:45 am


B-12 bits and pieces‏

 
After all the hours of taking it apart, it finally seems good to put all the pieces back together again. Going to work on the rear bumper today.

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OLDSLEDZ did you say your going to build a blue bomber & then a burgundy one ?? It should keep you going till spring rolls around. ;D :D



 
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 27, 2009, 08:23:19 am

   Hey, Oldsledz you better make you got every screw turned just right & all the cuts you made in that plywood sanded smooth because you may have a close competitor with 48bomber in the future. ha ha ha.

                                                                The Old Trucker
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on November 27, 2009, 08:28:27 am
Yes,  I should make sure this one moves before I get excited about any other project!  I have a 1965 ski-doo,  a '63 ski-doo,  and a 1962 Polaris prototype that are all painted and apart,  so maybe I had better get those done before I look for a big project again.  I always have a snomobile project open all the time.  It is great relaxation!!!!

Oldsledz

P.S.   O.T. You are right about 48 bomber,  maybe I should stop posting photos and giving away all the secrets!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 27, 2009, 08:35:19 am

   Just send them to me.  ha ha ::) ;D :D :)
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on November 29, 2009, 02:55:49 pm
happy birthday..

I noticed on the B12 that the build date is 29/11/48.   Guess I'll go out to the shop and have some birthday cake.


Oldsledz
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 29, 2009, 07:40:55 pm

  HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you BOMBER  !!!!! ;D :D :) 8)  I hope your new father looks after you ....ha ha ha
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: Skenman on November 30, 2009, 03:58:25 pm
Oldsledz,
nice work,, where did you get door skins from, did you make them, or Shavers?

Skenman
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on November 30, 2009, 04:44:45 pm

  Oldsledz in reply # 80, the last pic down.... when you look in through the lower access panel it looks like something hanging down just below the manifold . It has part of the engine tag covered up.
   OH OH !!  Is that a spot I see that's not painted ?? The slot that keeps the access panel in place. We can't have that. My apologies if I am wrong on this matter !!! I think your hanging around Grfishmaker too much. ha ha ha !!!

                                                                              One Nosey Old Trucker
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on December 01, 2009, 06:55:31 am
Skenman,  the doors are the original ones,  but the passenger door did have some issues but I managed to get it straightned out.  The rear doors were in perfect shape so all i had to do was bead blast and paint. 

O.T. -------- That little piece over the fuel pump is a heat shield between that and the exaust manifold.  Probably was there to prevent vapor lock.  My army truck has one on it also.   AND,  I did fix the missed paint spot, so rest easy.

Oldsledz
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on December 07, 2009, 08:11:02 am
   
      MORE B12 PHOTOS
 
O.T.
Got a marathon week end in, but got all the suspension chains repaired, painted all the small suspension pieces and assembled the skis and installed them. Should have the tracks on by Wednesday or Thursday.

Frank

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Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on December 07, 2009, 08:21:54 am

   Oldsledz in the second pic it looks like you put in new bushings. Were they bought or made up? And in the third pic did you use the old parts that go under the skis??
   
                                                                                                 OT.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on December 07, 2009, 08:47:51 am
Put in bronze bushings on the middle pivot for the front suspension.  Got new wood runners and new steel runners from Allain Benoit in Valcourt,  Quebec.  He will make them up. 

Oldsledz
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: 48bomber on December 07, 2009, 08:48:58 pm
oldsleds,
  Where is the contact for the guy that makes up the runners? I would like a spare set for this winter?
  How can I tell if the ski is original length to fit the runner?
 48bomber.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on December 08, 2009, 07:28:02 pm

   Oldsledz can you tell me the supplier for the mirrors on your doors. They look like a stock item.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on December 08, 2009, 07:49:13 pm
48 Bomber.

I have mis-placed Allain's number for the ski runners.  I will try to get it for you.  Mine went on ok,  had to warm it with a torch.

O.T.    I got the little mirrors from LMC truck.  They are clip on type so no holes are drilled.  I had to die grind the back of the mirror to get more angle adjustment so I could see down the side of the machine.  I wanted some type of mirror,  but not a big one.  This should work well--can see other sleds coming up behind and will be able to back into the  trailer.  LMC has a web site  just "google" it.

Oldsledz
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on December 17, 2009, 04:20:01 pm
  ANOTHER UPDATE FROM OLDSLEDZ
  
    O.T. Today's photos of the pinstripe going on as we speak. Should be done later today. Oldsledz
 
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 Another shot of the rear door getting ready for striping. That is a pic of Charles Bouchard's machine taped to the door. Oldsledz

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Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on December 17, 2009, 05:31:10 pm

   Guess she'll soon be ready to break out the champane??  OT.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: oldsledz on December 17, 2009, 06:38:18 pm
I am hoping for an inaugural ride Chistmas Eve.   Going to finish up the the tracks Monday afternoon.
Title: Re: Varnished Machine--
Post by: the old trucker on December 22, 2009, 04:28:44 pm

   Oldsledz I assume those stripes are being painted on & not stuck on. Any special kind of paint you are using?? Do you have to put a sealer on top of it?
                                                                                                                          OT.
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Post by: 48bomber on December 23, 2009, 12:46:05 am
Oldsledz,
   Congratulations on completing your machine!  The pinstripe , hand done is perfect and shows the detail you have done on the whole project.  Enjoy your first ride!  I had mine out for a few rounds in the field today with my son and every kid in town!  What fun! 
   I spent 10 hours packing , and opening trails last night with the clubs LMC 1800 groomer . Difficult night as no water , swamps are frozen .  Did not get stuck with the LMC  as  it carries up better than the bombardier 110 groomer the club has.
     Merry Christmas to all!
           48bomber
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Post by: oldsledz on December 23, 2009, 06:17:21 am
Yes,  I am very close to finish.  All the suspension and wheels are on and the only problem us that I have a bit too much end play in the axles.  Dan Shaver says it should be about .010 and I have about .023 so I will have to see about getting some thin spacers from my buddy at the machine shop today.  IF I can,  it may just got out the door in the next day or 2.  It would be nice to see some photos of your machine in action.  Please post some.

O.T.   Yes the stripes are hand painted just like the old days.  I will wait about a month and then the entire machine will be hand buffed.  I don't have to seal over it,  but I may spray another coat of marine varnish over it before next winter.

Oldsledz
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Post by: the old trucker on December 23, 2009, 07:56:30 am
Yes,  I am very close to finish.  All the suspension and wheels are on and the only problem us that I have a bit too much end play in the axles.  Dan Shaver says it should be about .010 and I have about .023 so I will have to see about getting some thin spacers from my buddy at the machine shop today. 
Oldsledz

   Oldsledz how big diameter spacers do you need for the axles?  I bought shims for my bogies. They are 2" ID & 3" OD. @ a local truck parts store. They were made to shim up the king pins on big truck axles. They fit perfect.  They are available from 10 thousands up to 40-50 thou.  
                                                                                                OT.
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Post by: oldsledz on December 24, 2009, 05:56:03 am
O.T.

Got the correct spacers yesterday and got the axles in and at the proper tolerances.  Put the drive sprockets on and now---just the tracks.  Going to try to get them on later today and if not,  tomorrow afternoon.  And then,  well I might be too afraid to try it! 

Oldsledz
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Post by: the old trucker on December 24, 2009, 07:11:30 am

   Sounds like your getting cold feet!! Ahh...your only a young pup yet!! You know everything is going to be OK. There may be a couple of minor adjustments you will make, but nothing serious. I know you will feel the pride of accomplishment. Just like Cam!!
    Here is a quote from the article in Canadian woodworking magazine that did an article about Cam back in March of 2006. This is what got me interested in these machines. I think you can still get back issues.

   "A person gets to be quite proud when you've built the machine and then you're driving it down to the lake," says McLean.    The Old Trucker feels quite proud too, of what you & everyone else have accomplished in keeping these beauties going & keeping the history of these machines alive.

                                                                                            The Old Trucker
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Post by: the old trucker on December 25, 2009, 03:24:04 pm
It's alive!!‏

Went for the "first" ride this morning. Goes great! Thanks to all for all the tech advise.

Oldsledz

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Post by: the old trucker on December 25, 2009, 03:27:14 pm

   May I be one of the first to congratulate you on a well done restoration job!! It's just beautiful!!

                                                                                       A Proud Old Trucker
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Post by: gror on December 25, 2009, 07:25:34 pm
Awsome job on the finish, I would hate to take it through the willows.
Congrates on a job well done.
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Post by: oldsledz on December 26, 2009, 07:04:37 am
Thanks gror.  I really had allot of fun doing the project.  Got about 15 miles on it yesterday and took 9 people for a ride--even my mother @ 83 years old and she had a great time.  No problems,  no leaks  etc...  Today I will go over all the bolts and such and make sure that all is tight and secure.
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Post by: Stuk-n-Slush on December 26, 2009, 09:53:48 am
Joseph Armand would be proud.
Love the pin stripes.
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Post by: oldsledz on December 29, 2009, 05:54:49 am
48 Bomber,

Sorry about the slow response.  You asked me for Allain Benoit's Phone number in Valcourt.   450-532-4994.  Going to his shop is like going  back into time.  He is quite a craftsman.  His specialty is replicating old horse drawn wagons from the 1800's and he builds everthing from scratch-including the forging.  He has done a few B7's for customers and he now has 2 B-12's to do in the near future.  He will have the wooden skis and metal runners for your machine.

Oldsledz
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Post by: the old trucker on January 04, 2010, 07:06:41 am
  Oldsledz's new video

   Click on picture to start video.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/th_b12jan3rd.jpg (http://s333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/?action=view&current=b12jan3rd.flv)

  
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Post by: the old trucker on January 04, 2010, 07:12:28 am

   She even sounds like original!!! Did you send this to Charles?? I'm sure he will be pleased to see it.
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Post by: the old trucker on January 08, 2010, 07:06:26 pm
   b12 photos from 01/02/10‏

Claude,

These were taken last week end at my camp. This machine is something!
Frank

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Post by: the old trucker on January 08, 2010, 07:14:26 pm

   Oldsledz..... looking at that first pic gives me goose bumps !! The tall trees covered with snow..that little bomber poking her head out through.....it's too much for me to look at. Absolutely Beautiful !!!!  :'( :'(

                                        A whimpering Old Trucker
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Post by: the old trucker on January 21, 2010, 11:52:37 am

   Can you tell what color the steering column is ?? Is it same as the doors ??  OT.
                                                                                                       
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Post by: oldsledz on January 21, 2010, 12:02:53 pm
Yes they should both be the same.  I had a real hard time finding the color.  It is a little light.  I did try the shade that you sent me awhile back but it was too orange.  The museum does not have the code for this.  I have discovered that the paint on the chip is not the color when dried.  I bought allot of sample cans!!!!

Oldsledz
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Post by: the old trucker on January 24, 2010, 06:02:48 am
quote;
Does any one have or know where I can get an axle for my narrow gauge?  When I rebuilt it,  one axle had been repaired and it broke again.  I should not repair it again so I am looking for a used one.  Any leads or help would be appreicated.

  Oldsledz did you have any luck looking for an axle ??
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Post by: oldsledz on January 25, 2010, 06:03:11 am
O.T.

  No luck yet. 

Oldsledz
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Post by: BIGDAVE on January 25, 2010, 06:47:44 pm
Oldsledz, Thanks for the tips over the phone.  Said HI to Dave Guenther in Pequot,Mn.  He was telling some guys of when you visited here.  Thanks, BIGDAVE
















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Post by: BIGDAVE on February 04, 2010, 08:18:37 pm
Frank, I reviewed your pictures and comments.  I thought I was working my butt off on Jeff's!!!!  I have only scratched the surface. I should have paid more attention to the access panel over the fuel pump area.  The fuel pump with the sediment bowl already on it!!!!  Seeing all your woodwork made me get sedimental because back in high school I help a friend somewhat restore a '47 Ford Woody.  Which motor and trans? '56 Ford 312 with auto which turn out to have no 1st gear. I think that trany was air cooled. Went OK if we pushed it until the 2nd gear shifted in and we didn't stop.
  Will look at track, wheels and suspension next.   Thanks!  BIGDAVE
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Post by: oldsledz on February 05, 2010, 06:20:56 am
Dave,

Give me a call when you get ready to go at the tracks,  axle  etc......  There are a couple of tricks I have learned from my friends in Quebec on taking off the tracks and such.   Got the machine back together last week end and so far it runs great.  Good thing I did break the axle for it allowed me to take out the differential and a friend of mine re-shimmed the ring and pinion,  changed a couple of bearings and one could see that the machine had just sat in a barn for along time for one side of the ring gear had some small pits in it.  Ready to go to Valcourt next Friday and then on to St. Raymond on Sunday.    Marc,  hope to meet you there.

Oldsledz
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Post by: the old trucker on February 07, 2010, 07:07:37 am

   Oldsledz when you go to the festival, you better have lots of fresh batteries with you. We are all waiting to see your bomber & a lot of others there. When you leave there, it's just as well to keep going west to Cranberry Portage, MB. for their rally.   ;D :D :) 8)
                                    OT.
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Post by: Averyman on February 07, 2010, 11:41:58 am
Oldsledz, There are likely more than a few of us that would like to hear about the tricks involved in removing and replacing tracks. Maybe you would be kind enough to start a new topic on this subject where we could share our experiences...
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Post by: BIGDAVE on February 07, 2010, 04:22:48 pm
I second that!!  I drove it a couple of blocks and the howl is loud enough to reduce the enjoyment.  I figure it is the differential. How loud should it be?  I could trun the radio WAY up, if it had one. The sprockets need recovering too and so on.  At least it runs and moves now!  By the time I get done the snow will be gone.  If I keep it long enough, it will be at our vintage snowmobile show FEB 21!!!!!!!!!!!!   BIGDAVE
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Post by: BIGDAVE on February 07, 2010, 05:18:51 pm
Nice mirrors, Frank!  I think Jeff wants some.  They'll come in handy for the Bomber race.
He might want to know the part # etc. I saw some on ebay but they didn't have such a nice curve.   Thanks,  BIGDAVE
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Post by: oldsledz on February 08, 2010, 06:39:24 am
Dave,

Got those mirrors from LMC Truck.  They cater to old pick up trucks.  They have a website   www.lmctruck.com

Oldsledz
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Post by: oldsledz on February 08, 2010, 06:54:08 am
Dave,

  I can't hear my differential at all.  You may want to pull it apart.  Take the tracks off first and put it in gear to confirm the noise.  These machines do make allot of noises going down the trail.

Oldsledz
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Post by: oldsledz on February 08, 2010, 07:02:21 am
Averyman.

  This trick for removing tracks came from Charles Bouchard in Quebec.  First of all, loosen the track,  remove 5 cleats from the track,  jack up the machine and roll the track forward until the area that the cleats that were removed roll over the drive sprocket.  This lets the track get really loose and then you can get it off the rear wheel.  I have noticed that you have to get the machine at a specific height off the floor so there is some weight on the suspension.    The nice thing is if you need to change a wheel bearing,  axle seal or servicing the  differential,  you can do it and not take the track off the machine.  By doing this method I could remove and install the track alone. 

  But,  after talking to Dan at Shavers,  he says there are other ways as well so my method is not gospel.  It just worked for me.

Oldsledz
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Post by: oldsledz on February 08, 2010, 07:03:31 am
I will get photos!!!

Oldsledz
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Post by: jockochoko on February 08, 2010, 07:23:05 pm
              The machine turned out nice :)
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Post by: BIGDAVE on February 09, 2010, 05:46:27 am
Jeff has new mirrors but I haven't seen them.  Took off right sprocket, will do left today.  Will call you.  I understand that we may have met when you where in MN a few years ago.  Three places of possible contact, Pequot Lakes, Roseau Polaris Anniversary, Grand Rapids when Campbells picked up sled from a friend.  I remember the 2 cycle blender at Roseau.  Was that you guys. Never got a drink, but helped load some heavy old stuff into the trailer.
                          BIGDAVE
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Post by: oldsledz on February 09, 2010, 09:18:53 am
Yup,

That was us...............

Oldsledz
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Post by: BIGDAVE on February 09, 2010, 06:31:12 pm
Thanks for more info Frank. I drained some oil out of diff. I figured the level should be about 2" below the filler, then I noticed a scratch mark about there. Now it has a nice RED line there. I pulled 2 wheels on right, both need bearings.  One was bad enough to be noisey.  Had Timken 09074 and 15112. I could not believe the speedo was making all that noise I thought was differential!!!!!!!!!!!!! I emailed a Bombardier dealer near here about track belts and rubber for drive sprockets.  The reply was that they would have it.  Minnesota Outdoor Sports Specialties, mn-outdoors.com
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Post by: BIGDAVE on February 16, 2010, 07:32:24 pm
new pix   http://s900.photobucket.com/albums/ac210/BIGDAVE2_2010/pictures/?action=view&current=spindle.jpg  Jeff called wondering if I had died or ?  Worse yet, my Johnson JX 650 seized up.  Been busy watching Canada girls play hockey.  Between periods I have been making progress on wheel bearings and drive sprockets.  Have to be ready for big show.  We have a snow groomer demo coming up and I plan to display Jeff's B12 and give a few friends rides.  Might even get a pic with new Bomber.  Replaced all wheel bearings right side and moved 3rd tire to back position because of weather checking on rear one.  I will be making a display for show.  It's no "Varnished Machine", but it is more "polished" than it was.  Thanks for all y'all's help!  BIGDAVE
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Post by: BIGDAVE on February 18, 2010, 08:29:39 am
Jeff say its about time to start BIGDAVE'S Rebuild thread and get off of Oldsledz space.  OT can do that!!!  Thanks,  BIGDAVE and Jeff
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Post by: Wascana on December 11, 2010, 08:48:57 am
I am new to this site, and have a 1948 B12 that I am begining to restore.  The outer plywood needs to be replaced.  I have started to research birch plywood and am thinking of going with rotary cut Baltic birch 1/4".  Would this be a good choice?  Any information would be appreciated.   Also, the frame work is broken above the windshield by the front doors - I understand this was a weak spot.  Any reccomendations on how to best repair this?
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Post by: the old trucker on December 23, 2010, 12:53:30 pm

    COUPLE OF NEW PICS FROM OLDSLEDZ

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    That is one sharp looking Bombardier. You know....one of those pics would look "KOOL" on a t-shirt. Of course Cam's machine would have to be along side too. I am going to check into that.

                                                                          The Old Trucker
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Post by: kpm on December 23, 2010, 02:49:38 pm
that is a great looking woodie....looks like he has some deer and elk living in his neigborhood...Swampdawg and I might have to go there!!!
                                             kpm
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Post by: oldsledz on December 24, 2010, 05:39:00 am
KPM -- Comon' down and help me shoot the cyotes too!
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Post by: marcdds on December 24, 2010, 07:11:52 am
hi did u buy a other machine oldsleds have a merry xmas form all of us in pontiac county quebec
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Post by: oldsledz on December 24, 2010, 11:33:12 am
Marc,

Not yet.  Would like to find a B7 that needs restoration.  -- any leads??

Have a nice holiday--see you in St. Raymond.
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Post by: the old trucker on December 30, 2010, 10:41:17 am

   Oldsledz how is the paint holding up on the manifold & engine since using her ?? How is the wooden body doing ?  How is the engine temp doing ? And the last question ; Is there anything you would change if you were to do this over again with another machine ??
                                                                           The Old Trucker
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Post by: oldsledz on December 30, 2010, 02:36:30 pm
The manifold still looks pretty good and the body still looks as good as when I finished it.  I do keep it in a heated garage when not in use so everything dries out.  The engine temp holds perfect. I do adjust the rear door and watch the temp gauage.  Anything different??  I don't know.  Pretty satisfied with it.
    Headed for camp with the machine tomorrow for the week end so I should put  50 to 60 miles on it.  Went for a quick ride last night to double check my track tension (8 miles) and it goes great. So with that being said,  I will pack every tool that I have,  a couple of tow straps and my winter clothes just in case!

Have a Happy New Year and we should see yours on the snow in 2011!
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Post by: the old trucker on December 30, 2010, 03:37:49 pm

   Happy New Year to you & the family. Don't forget to pack the camera & extra batteries. Pleasant journeys my friend.
                                                                            One old trucker....
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Post by: marcdds on January 03, 2011, 05:01:40 pm
have a happy new year . no leads on b7 going be hard to find .im looking for original interior door handles for b12  even repops would be ok best regards marc ill have a new machine in st raymond
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Post by: oldsledz on January 04, 2011, 05:28:34 am
Marc,

What year is your B12?  If it is a 48 and you can't find the interior handles,  I have a source for the reproductions.

Oldsledz
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Post by: the old trucker on March 08, 2013, 12:30:58 pm
  
    O.T. Today's photos of the pinstripe going on as we speak. Should be done later today. Oldsledz
 
  Oldsledz, here is my question. In this pic it shows the (rub rail or stiffener). Is it made from oak & if so what size is the wood & what size round over bit did you use ??

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Post by: oldsledz on March 11, 2013, 04:47:47 am
If I remember correctly,  it was made out of ash.  I will get the dimentions.