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Title: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on June 12, 2009, 06:01:02 am
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  Well here she is. Just waiting to get in side her new home. I am sizing things up for now to see if it's worth while to restore it. So far it looks good.
  All the springs & swing arms are coming off easily. I am tearing up the entire floor skin because it's pretty rusty in spots. The frame rails look good & it appears all the steering assembly is intact.
  So far it looks fair to good. If I decide to go ahead with this project, it will be slow going. Remember this is my first time at this. Even the adjusters came free !! And it looks like all the needle bearings in the arms are well packed in grease.
                                                                                    The Old Trucker
                                                 
 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on June 17, 2009, 06:43:52 pm

  A few more pics of the old girl before she goes through those pearly white doors. I'm amazed at how everything is working. Even the 60 yr. old heater that was exposed to the weather for 20 yrs. still works when you put power to it.  Everything is all free. Even the old  style adjusters work.
  I took off all the belly pan. It needed replacing. Other than a new piece of small channel that supports the width of the back end, & a couple of odd pieces, the frame should be ready to sand blast & paint.

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This is the piece of small channel I need to replace across the back in the pic below.

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Swamp Dawg on June 19, 2009, 08:45:13 pm
Right on OT, looks like you've got some work to do.  I'm sure with your eye for detail it will turn out pretty good.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on July 02, 2009, 06:48:02 pm
  This is my first time taking anything like this apart. I have a backup mechanic just in case I screw up. I hope!!! 
Here's a shot of my side axles. It looks like one has a machined lip by the bearing. On the other one it looks like it has been welded.

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In the third & fifth pic, It shows the damaged "spider" or "planetary" gear. Where the axle splines into the gear, you can see where the round section is gouged up a little.   
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Below you'll see how the spline on the axle is gouged a little. I was told that this can be cleaned up with a fine file.

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  Anyone have an idea if the gears from an older car or truck will fit ?? I was also told that those four gears can come out without taking everything apart.
  Swamp Dwag, can a good machinist weld a section on there & turn it down ?? I'm open to all suggestions!!
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on July 30, 2009, 04:58:37 am

    She's NAKED !!!!
 
  Yes sir, I finally got her stripped down & she's not bad looking for her age either. The frame is looking good for sitting in the weather for 30 to 40 yrs. My son gave me a new camera so I wouldn't be taking his all the time. All I have to do now is figure out how it works.
  They finished the frame yesterday afternoon. He has to etch prime the trailer he just did & said he should have enough left to do my frame. That stuff is only good for 8 hrs. after it's mixed, so just as well to put it to use. He should be doing that today or tomorrow.
  I have pics of the process on the camera but I'm having trouble putting them on the computer. Should have more when I figure all this out.
                     
                                                 You got The Old Trucker scratching his head !!                                               


 

                                                                           

     
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 01, 2009, 07:56:21 am

   
   Here are a couple of pics of her starting to be blasted. I think the material he is using is called black shot ?? I found a way to transfer the pics but it's going to be slow.

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  The trailer in the second last pic is what he just did. When he primes that, mine will be done after.
I have more pics which I will put on later.

                                                                          The Old Trucker

Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 08, 2009, 02:31:21 pm
  HERE"S THE LATEST UPDATE FROM THE OLD TRUCKER !!!

  Sorry about not having these up before. I'm trying to get used to my new camera.

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  I'm starting to clean up between the frame rails & cross members so I can slide in the new belly pan in two pieces & get it welded in place. Then new angle iron for the sides & new plate for around the engine area. So far I've lucked out good with parts. I bought 3 rims, a brand new smooth tire(sticker still on it!!) & 2 boggies for $25 bucks. Next week I will pick up a ski, two front doors, a motor door & I think a rad door. All for about $40 bucks of gas.
  I can get a 1996 Ford 6 cylinder fuel injected engine & trans for $ 300.00. I'm a little uneasy about the idea of the engine. I sort of want a carbureted engine. What are your thoughts on this ??  
  Oh well.. I got to go make more phone calls on more parts.

   I forgot to say that they put 2 & 1/2 coats of etching primer on & then had about 1 & 1/2 coats of industrial primer left so on it went also.  Beggars can't be particular !!!
                                                                                                    OT.
 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 10, 2009, 08:56:57 am

  I can get a 1996 ford 300 EFI engine for $100 bucks. He says it will need a new fuel pump. I know I will need the computer & all the sensors plus a transmission for it. I also found an older working 250 Chev/trans combo ( carbed )  for $100.00. Anyone think the Chevy is too under powered for a narrow gauge woody ??
 
                                                                                                                                   OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 10, 2009, 09:18:07 am
  "Quote from 52 Buildup Progress"
   
52 Buildup Progress
« on: March 27, 2007, 11:24:49 PM » Quote 

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   We have been busy this winter on our 52.
   Here are a few pics of the steps along the way.
   More to come as well.

   We took out the Ford 300 6cyl tore it down and had it bored out .020.  Put all new ignition parts, carb,  tranny cooler etc.
Took the C6 tranny out as well and had it overhauled and put in a heavy duty torque converter.
Built a caliper brake setup off of the corporate GM 14bolt differential.
Built a removable belly pan.  (Ever machine needs one!)Built 2 new sets of tracks.
Installed the upgrade shock tower mounts from Shaver Ind.

  Swamp Dawg can you tell me how you installed the removable belly pan ?? I plan on doing this before putting paint on the frame.
                                                  OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on August 13, 2009, 07:36:57 pm
OT..I had a 48 wooden narrow with the 250 chev auto...it was great lots of power..it was a camel back style engine....grfishmaker,bought it from me
                                                                 kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 13, 2009, 08:01:22 pm

   Can a fellow still buy a rebuild kit for the 250 Chev ?? If so what would be in the kit ?? Rings, bearings, gaskets ? There's a 56 narrow about 40 miles from me that has a 250 c/w automatic trans in it. He says he don't have any trouble with his.
   I think I can get the original flat head that she came with, but he said it's seized. Then I'd have to find a trans for it. I think it would turn into a lot of bucks. I had a 73 Nova with a 250 for 9 yrs. & never had a hitch with the motor.   
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on August 14, 2009, 08:25:35 pm
...yup...it was a strong motor,i'm told you can still get the parts required for a rebuild..if needed..the auto tranny is nice,...that been said....I still have had great luck with the flat head and standard...no speed demon...fairly light though and lots of low end power if you have a motor thats not tired...
    the 250 was comparable to the 300's i've had....the only thing that out performed them all was the 302 i had in the narrow,and only on the high end of things....packed trail.....maybe try a 300 /auto...very little mods required to put in the narrow,quite easy to find with electonic ingition and carburated...and lots of torque!!...juz my thoughts....u know where to send the penny..!!
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 17, 2009, 07:41:07 pm

  Another couple of pics of how I am trying to do this right. I had the bogie's off & cleaned up & reinstalled it all with a fresh coat of grease & all new nuts & bolts. As you can see there was still lots of grease after 50 yrs. of sitting. I bought the six springs down to be blasted so I can prime, paint & install them.
   
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  I think I may change all the inner sleeves that hold the needles in place. The two on the back axle have grooves worn into them where the needles were touching it. Also the 2 caps that hold the bearings in the boggie are worn pretty bad. Luckily I had a couple extras.
  You can see the grooving in the sleeve in the boggie. These are not too bad. It's just the 2 with the track adjusters. I measured the axle shaft & it is only out of round by 2 thousands of an inch. Some bogies had 40 needles in them & others had 39 & 38 in them.

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  If any one thinks I am doing something wrong or going overboard with any of this PLEASE let me know. We're doing this on a wing & a prayer & hoping for miracles !!!
                                                                               The Old Trucker
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: gror on August 17, 2009, 09:26:44 pm
LOt easier to do it now . Defenitly building her from the bottom up, Looks good for what you started with,keep up the good work!!
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 18, 2009, 02:43:45 am

   Thanks Gror !!  I looked @ three 250 Chev engines that have the manifold made onto the head. They all have the manifold cracked. I was warned before to stay away from that style.
   I am going to look @ a 292 Chev that was working up to 2 weeks ago till he started to scrap her. I think it's in the 80's. It had a standard transmission, but I can get a 3 speed automatic that should bolt right up to it. I know of a fellow that has a 250 in his bomber. I will check his out, looking for tips & pics !!
         
                                                                                                               OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Swamp Dawg on August 18, 2009, 02:50:11 pm
Geez OT your really making things happen.  This is going to be one sweet rebuild!  I think you will be happy with a straight 6 fuel injected. Better fuel economy and maybe a little more power. I was hoping to get one myself, just the way it played out ours came with a carbed motor.  Keep up the good work.

SD
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 18, 2009, 07:16:48 pm

   Thanks Dawg !! It's happening, but it's going to be slow. I picked up my springs today from the blaster. I just finished putting 4 coats of primer on them & 1 coat of gloss black. I'll put another couple of coats of black on tomorrow. 
   I have to look at a 292 Chev engine on Friday. If it's a good engine I also have a three speed automatic trans lined up to go with it. I would like to get the motor & trans in before doing any woodworking. Right now I am looking at exhaust pipe to make sleeves for the needle bearings. My machinist said the sleeve is mild steel, so I'll get them made from that. Mine have grooves wore in them. I'm still scrounging up parts. I have 3 j5 trailer tracks lined up that have the same grousers. Another fellow has a bunch more. If things keep going like they are, I'm hoping that next winter she'll cuddle up to snow bank or two.
                                                                                                        OT.

 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: gror on August 21, 2009, 09:39:09 am
Sounds like your on the right track, putting the engine in first would be a lot easier, being a ford man dont know about the 250 ,but auto is the way to go.Sealing the engine compartment from the cabin is also something to look at the extra heat and fumes are not missed.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: fisher on August 21, 2009, 11:25:55 am
   automatics give u a chance when u hit slush on a lake. Just keep easing off the gas and u can stay on top and moving quite a while. A standard won't let u ease off on the throttle enuf without stalling or spinning the tracks when u downshift. Driver with the magic touch can save a lot of jacking,shoveling,swearing etc. Might get the magic touch one of these years.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 21, 2009, 12:39:48 pm

   Watta ya mean.... jacking, shoveling. I thought they stayed on top of the snow ????

 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: fisher on August 21, 2009, 10:09:12 pm
Get stuck in the slush some day
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 22, 2009, 07:12:51 am

   Every once in awhile I stop & talk to an older gentleman about the old bombardiers, checking out to see if they know for any old machines kicking around. One fellow I was talking to yesterday smiled & laughed & told me about experiences he had. Said they would hit a snow drift & tip over on her side. They would jump out, upright her & go on again. I ended up talking to him for 25 mins. about the stories he told me. It's interesting to know that people still remember about them.
                   
                                                                                                                    OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 22, 2009, 07:37:04 am

 Would anyone know if the dimensions of the metal machine are similar to the woody ?? I would like to know so I can get an idea as to where to place the ( firewall ), the upright wall that separate the cabin area from the engine area.
  I could use Mike's machine (57 rebuild) as a pattern.
                                                                                              OT. 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: oldsledz on August 23, 2009, 01:39:12 pm
O.T.

It is exactly 50" from the steel member at the end of the plywood deck to the engine side of the firewall.  You should
really come down and look at my rig before the plywood is on. (and I am getting close)  Working on the new wiring harness and heater hoses and after that comes plywood.  You can see how the wood skeleton is cut at an angle.

Frank
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 23, 2009, 06:35:43 pm

   I would like to go to your place & take pics & measurements before you finish but I am on a budget due to health conditions that makes things a little hard to do. I have pics of most of the angles, I just have to estimate the lengths.
   I think when I have the bigger frame sections built, it should be easier to fill in the remainder.   
Also I have a couple of original panels plus when I pick up the doors they said there are a couple more panels there that I can have also.
                                                                                                              OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 28, 2009, 06:56:13 pm

  Everything is slow for now. I have the springs painted & ready. I can't be near a welder, so I have to wait to get someone lined up to do it for me. I think I will get the metal for the belly pan, the side pieces for the motor area & the small angle that goes around the diff area next week. I have been rearranging tools in the shed to make some extra space to work. Hoping to be back at it soon.
                                                                                                        OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 30, 2009, 06:37:24 pm

  Does anyone know what thickness the plywood is that runs along the top of the frame rails ?? It is bolted to the small angle iron framing that is welded to the rails, just ahead of the side plates that go around the engine area . I'm thinking it's 3/4". It looks like the same as what makes up the bench seats.

                                                                                                        OT.   
                                                   
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: oldsledz on August 30, 2009, 07:08:26 pm
O.T.

The plywood is 3/4"

Frank
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on September 06, 2009, 05:23:46 am
  Thanks oldsledz ! I was out & got the two front doors that originally belonged my bomber. Also I got the left motor door & the wiper motor.
   Both doors will need new skins outside & wood inside. I found it strange that there were 2 wipers attached to the motor.

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  I took the motor apart & cleaned up the 60 yrs of rust & dirt that gathered up inside, put her together & fired her up.  IT "WORKS" !!!!  
  There is a long screw shaft that goes to the wiper posts covered with 2 pieces of metal tubing. On the wiper post there is a small gear that turns the shaft back & forth.
  There are 3 wires coming out of the motor. A red & a green wire were hooked up to the motor. That's what I put the power to. However there is a single red wire sticking out on top of the case. Inside the case the green wire looks like it's gone to ground. The 2 red wires ( 1 bottom & 1 top ) are soldered to the same terminal inside. I'm thinking that the single red wire on top is for the "PARK" feature. This wire was not hooked to anything. There was no switch with it, just 2 wires tied in with the light. On the outside of one cover (with round circle) it says; DR #A  
                                                                 PARK  (arrow points to left)
                                                                 12 V 9 59
                                                                 75389 B
                                                                 Patened  

The other cover (square) says;  LUCAS
                                            Made in England
                                       #'s 1  2  3  E
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These doors & wiper motor were laid in 3 ft. tall grass for 40 yrs. The right side body panel that has the windows in it was there, but was too rotten to salvage for pattern. Does anyone know anything about the 2 wiper setup ?
                  
                                                                                                  OT. " looking for info 10/4 ?? "  



        
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on September 06, 2009, 06:44:13 am

  Just looked on the internet & found some info on the wiper motor. I will contact these people to check on the wiring & switch.


Wiring connections to the motor

3. Wheel Boxes
The most popular wheel box size is 32 teeth on the inner drive wheel and the ideal length of shaft from the inner face to the end of the splines is 2.5 inches. This allows for the thickness of material on fibreglass cars as the first spacer can be cut down in size allowing for varying thicknesses through the bulkhead where the wheel boxes fit. There is also a 40-tooth wheel box which will reduce the amount of wiper arm travel.
If the car has a split screen then it is quite easy to fit what was called the clapped hands system. This is by turning one of the wheel boxes through 180 degrees.


5. Drive or "Bundy"Tubing Sets
It is far better to use the recommended wiper tubing from Lucas than to use copper tube as this can be noisy and wears very quickly on any bends. Wear of the drive tube causes friction that can lead to the motor burning out.

Bundy tube sets can be made up providing you give the supplier 2 dimensions. The first is the distance from the motor to the centre of the first wheel box hole, and the second the distance between the wheel box hole centres through the bulkhead. Obviously if there is a 3 wiper system then there is another dimension needed. Try to avoid sharp bends in the tubing, If you have to bend the bundy tube, an easy way to form the shape is to insert the drive rack into the tube before bending. This will keep the tube the correct diameter on any of the bends (very much like a plumber bends copper piping by inserting the spring). Always grease the rack liberally before inserting into the bundy tube.

Drive Tube Dimensions


6. Switch
It is important that you use a correct wiper 2-speed switch. The reason for this is that when the switch is in the off position with the ignition switched on there is one connection which becomes live. This operates the parking position. If you use a non-live switch then the wipers would stop whenever the switch was switched off.

LUCAS WIPER SWITCH Part No. 35927

Terminal Connections
4. 1st speed red/green light
8. Park brown/light green (linked to no.4 when switch is on off position)
6. Ignition live green
2. 2nd Speed blue/light green

The park position can be changed by reading the Lucas information leaflet. If purchasing a second hand motor make sure there are 3 wires going into the motor body. This is the way to tell if the motor is 2-speed, 1 speed only has 2 wires.
All of the above components and full assemblies cut to your cars specifications can be purchased from Stafford Vehicle Components.




Bundy tube sets can be made up providing you give the supplier 2 dimensions. The first is the distance from the motor to the centre of the first wheel box hole, and the second the distance between the wheel box hole centres through the bulkhead. Obviously if there is a 3 wiper system then there is another dimension needed. Try to avoid sharp bends in the tubing, If you have to bend the bundy tube, an easy way to form the shape is to insert the drive rack into the tube before bending. This will keep the tube the correct diameter on any of the bends (very much like a plumber bends copper piping by inserting the spring). Always grease the rack liberally before inserting into the bundy tube.

Drive Tube Dimensions


6. Switch
It is important that you use a correct wiper 2-speed switch. The reason for this is that when the switch is in the off position with the ignition switched on there is one connection which becomes live. This operates the parking position. If you use a non-live switch then the wipers would stop whenever the switch was switched off.

LUCAS WIPER SWITCH Part No. 35927

Terminal Connections
4. 1st speed red/green light
8. Park brown/light green (linked to no.4 when switch is on off position)
6. Ignition live green
2. 2nd Speed blue/light green

The park position can be changed by reading the Lucas information leaflet. If purchasing a second hand motor make sure there are 3 wires going into the motor body. This is the way to tell if the motor is 2-speed, 1 speed only has 2 wires.

All of the above components and full assemblies cut to your cars specifications can be purchased from Stafford Vehicle Components.
  I can't copy the pic portion of it, but it looks identical to mine.





 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on September 15, 2009, 04:18:45 am
     OT'S UPDATE !!!! 

   To update everyone I have bought a 1984 f 150 pickup with the 300 in it. Original owner bought it new & had her for 20 yrs. before he passed on. A friend told me it was parked in his garage every night. I guess she started going down hill after that. Speedometer shows 65,000 km. My friend drove her home ( 39 miles) with me bringing up the rear. There was no smoke at all. He said she had lots of power going up the hills. He even tramped her down a couple of times & took off like a scaled cat. Starts first turn of the key & idles good too. I want to tune her up before taking it out to see how she is. I was talking to Retmech & here's what he says.
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    hello claude   you didn't mention in the first message that the wiper motor was lucas.but i thought that it looked like it.i have been dealing with british built cars for many years and i have a 1969 british built landrover that i believe has the same motor.it is out to my sons house in glovertown right now.as you were saying the truck looks in pretty good shape for the year.with so few kilos,it should be a good motor.the 4.9 engine is 299.016 cubic inch which is a 300.the baked on dirt could be very difficult to remove.i dont know of any simple way.sometimes a steam cleaner can do it.but i have had to use a thin blade narrow scraper sometimes and lots of time.usually it is taken off by hot dipping.the only other way that i know of is when you get the engine out you may be able to use 4 1/2 inch mini grinder with a rotary wire brush put on in place of the grinding wheel.you can get those at most auto stores.as for the plugs,if they are rusted in penetrating oil may not work but it wouldn't hurt to try it. sometimes i have taken them out with an impact gun with the air turned down on the gun so that it wouldn't hit too hard,where by pulling a steady strain with a ratchet might break it.there is no guarantee that they wont break.if any do you should be able to get the piece out with an acetelene torch and an easy out.but it is better to do it now than when you get the engine in the bomber.  sterling



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From: popsshed@hotmail.com
To: stanford1943@hotmail.com
Subject: clean engine pics
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:36:11 -0200

                                         
 
  HELP !!!!     
 
   I need help again !! I'm sending a few pics of the engine with some dirt off it. What is good to take off the heavy baked on stuff like around the base pan & trans. I don't want to get in too big a mess when I pull out the motor & trans.
   I tried to remove one of the plugs but it don't want to come out. I didn't want to put too much pressure on it, scared I may break it off. my friend Kevin said to spray some penetrating oil around each plug, which I did. Tomorrow he said to get the engine hot, then try & take them out. Open to suggestions.
  The tag in the last pic says plug # BSF 42. It says the engine size is 4.9L.

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This is the oil pressure gauge. It shows between 30 -35 psi.

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  I have cleaned alot of dirt off with Spray 9 & the garden hose. I'm looking to get the old crud off so I can paint er' up. Ot's got a 130 amp altenator that he had for a spare. Think it's over kill if I put it on.  ??
 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on September 15, 2009, 06:23:25 pm

  Dawg or Gror, do you remember what the color of the paint is on your motor. On mine the top pan is a gray color. I guess it is a ford blue on yours.

                                                                              OT.   
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: gror on September 15, 2009, 07:20:30 pm
Mine is called Old Ford Blue and I got it at Napa . About the spark plugs, try a penetrating oil called Kroil it is amazing. Spray it on and leave it for a night, they will probably come out.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on September 16, 2009, 02:27:22 am

   Thanks Gror. I sprayed some penetrating oil called KP 53 I think. You'll see the blue can in some of the pics. Retmech told me to do the same thing.  Below is a section of his email to me.
   as for the plugs,if they are rusted in penetrating oil may not work but it wouldn't hurt to try it. sometimes i have taken them out with an impact gun with the air turned down on the gun so that it wouldn't hit too hard,where by pulling a steady strain with a ratchet might break it.there is no guarantee that they wont break.if any do you should be able to get the piece out with an acetylene torch and an easy out.but it is better to do it now than when you get the engine in the bomber.  sterling   
   I used the gun & it worked perfectly. The old plugs looked good. I tightened up the bottom section of the carb as it was loose. Today I will pick up a new dist. cap, rotor button, plugs & wires, new oil & filter & give her a tune up. Gror I am picking up a short oil filter. Do you think I will have enough room for it in my bomber without having to use that oil bypass piece ?? Things are looking up !!
                                                                                     
                                                                                         The Old Trucker, happy as a pig in mud !!!

 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on September 16, 2009, 02:23:52 pm
 
  Would anyone know the number for the rotor button for a 1984 F 150 Ford pickup with the module  mounted on the fender, not on the distributor. Mine is the red one on the right. The left one is for the module on the distributor.

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: gror on September 17, 2009, 06:26:04 pm
I never had room in mine for even a short oil filter.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on September 18, 2009, 03:51:09 am

  Did you use the adapter like Swamp Dawg did ?? If so, where did you get it to ?? How much ?? Part #'s ?? Was told by my "buddy mechanic " the motor should be out by day's end if the weather holds up.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on September 18, 2009, 04:13:18 am

  the old trucker
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     Re: Gror's rebuild
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   Hey boys is that all is up around your way is rusty old fords ?
What about a 292 chevy ? Thanks Gror for the pics. There great!!!
Keep taking a scattered pic once in awhile. Don't wait till the end.
  My ol' ticker may not be able to take the pressure of waiting. 

  That's a quote from Gror's rebuild that I put there. Guess I have to eat my words if I put this engine in my bomber.  HA HA HA  !!!!  ;D :o ::)

                                                                                           OT.   :-[
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on September 19, 2009, 07:11:24 am

   Gror or Swamp Dawg, is the dist. vacuum line on your distributor in the same place as on mine ?? There is a long oil filter on mine now. If you say I don't have the space for a short filter, it looks like I'd have to change the position of the dist. 
   I have another motor mount bolt & a couple more on the trans & out she comes, if the rain ever stops !!

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  Did you say that the green wire goes with that blue one with the yellow stripe ?? Or is the brown supposed to go with the ahhh............  purple....or black ?? I don't remember. We worked a little backwards with the wiring because we never had any schematics to go by. It was a bit of snip, start, stop, snip & start again for awhile but we got er' done !! Now when we put her on the ground all we have to do is hook up 2 ground & a hot wire to a battery & turn the key.

  Any ideas on a good engine cleaner ??  Well gotta go my mechanic is out waiting. Looks like the rain is finally starting to cooperate.

                                                                               The Old Trucker

                                                                             
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: gror on September 19, 2009, 09:48:00 am
My oil bypass system was built by a machinest at work for me but you can buy them out of Jeggs. I put a different distrutor in mine "old school points and condensor".
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on September 25, 2009, 04:38:41 pm
   Can anyone tell me the dimensions of how big a radiator I can put in my bomber ?? Maybe my local rad shop can custom build one if they had a few measurements.

                                                                                                   OT.'s trying to cool er' down.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on October 10, 2009, 05:48:23 am

  I am starting to pick away at my engine, while waiting to get the belly pan welded in place. I have the manifold off to allow more access to clean the motor. I also got the carb in soak trying to get the dark black gas stains off. My questions are;
   # 1   Is it any good to put a high heat primer on before painting the engine ?
   # 2   What about the manifold ?
   # 3   Swamp Dawg I noticed you didn't paint your manifold. Any particular reason ?? 
   # 4   Will I need a brush to get at hard to reach places ??
   # 5   Oldsledz, Gror, Dawg, what paint did you use on yours ??
  Any comments on how to do this ?? I think I will paint her OLD FORD BLUE . Canadian Tire has it in stock in spray bombs.
  Or should I get a quart of paint mixed & sprayed on ??
                                                                               
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: gror on October 10, 2009, 06:47:08 pm
Thats hoe I did it ,with spray bombs,Old ford Blue It turned out awesome, and I didnt use any primer.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on October 11, 2009, 06:07:54 am

   Thanks Gror. When I'm ready I'll get a half dozen cans. By the way did you put anything on your manifold ?? People are telling me it will only burn off. What about high heat paint for stoves ??

                                                                                                         OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on October 21, 2009, 02:59:29 pm

  Gror did you make your engine mounts the same way Swamp Dawg did his ?? It looks like he used the stock mount & added to it. Am I right ?? I started cleaning up the exhaust today, getting ready to paint. What did you use on your manifold & is it staying on ??   

                                                                               OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on October 22, 2009, 06:27:38 pm
 
   This is my last time trying this !!!!

  I think I wore myself out !! I'm having a hard time getting this on here. The first three pics show some difference. On the left is after wire brushing & the right is before. I have this side just about finished. I plan to do the top pan & base pan last, when I put new gaskets in place. Then paint.

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  In this pic above, I think you'll see the old long oil filter. It's just out past the mount. I have a short one to go back. Same as Orin's.
  Below you'll see a lot cleaner manifold.

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   Grfishmaker, is your transmission the same as this one ?? If it is, the first pic shows the position of low gear & the next pic shows park. The bracket that looks like an upside down u is the kick down rod, for when you tramp her to the floor. Looks pretty simple to hook it up the right way like it should be.

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: orin on October 23, 2009, 07:10:45 pm
O.T.
After seeing all the nice painted motors one here and you cleaning your getting it ready to paint, i'm kind of embarrassed with my dirty old ford, may have to clean it too.  lol
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on October 24, 2009, 04:49:35 am
  
  One thing about having a clean motor is you'll see the leaks if any. Plus it can operate better & help maintain proper engine temperature. I used Spray Nine & a couple cans of GUNK & lots of water. To my surprise after every time after I soaked her with the water, (I mean everywhere) she never failed to start. Let her run for a few minutes to dry off & look at your progress. Orin one thing about me is I have lots of time.

                                                                                                              from a squeaky clean OT.      
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on October 31, 2009, 07:41:08 pm

   Today I got most everything taken off the engine. Everything inside is black with old oil. Make no wonder it leaked oil, the gaskets were that old they plumed up & dried up hard as a rock. I have new parts ordered. I hope to have paint on next week. I have a table full of nuts & bolts & alot of parts. Hope I don't have any left over !!
   I'm having trouble getting my pics onto the computer.

   
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: grfishmaker on October 31, 2009, 08:07:24 pm
You're having trouble getting your pictures on the computer? and here you are giving me advise. What's going on there man? too much Halloween candy? ha ha
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: orin on November 05, 2009, 07:08:34 am
OT, I see you have a clutch fan. After you take the clutch off it won't bolt to the water pump pulley. You can make an adapter plate, so it fits the fan and the pulley
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on November 05, 2009, 07:17:09 pm

    Orin is there that much difference between using the clutch fan & mounting it direct to the pump ?? I was thinking of leaving the fan off & installing an electric fan to the rad with a manual over ride switch on the dash.
   On the progress side of things I have everything off the engine, except the head. I checked on my parts today & they are now due in tomorrow. I also bought new frost plugs for her today. I'm hoping to put more paint on this weekend. I sprayed the trans with a rebuilders cast paint last night. I'm taking pics but I can't get them onto the @$%# computer. I got something screwed up for sure.
   Do anybody know the dimensions of the original "woody" seat ??

       PS. Oldsledz this screw up shouldn't bother me putting your pics on here.       
                                                                           

                                                                                   One Contrary Old Trucker
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: orin on November 05, 2009, 09:54:43 pm
I'm not sure what make a clutch fan work, but when your motor starts to heat up the fan kicks in, spins faster. On a bomber they never seem to work right, at least we never had any luck with them when we tried. A fan bolted to the water pump is turning and sucking air, NO PROBLEMS!! An electric fan may work good too. Can you get a BIG one?
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on November 06, 2009, 07:41:11 am

   I was told a clutch fan has viscous fluid in it & operates by way of a thermostatic spring. With a cold engine it will not cut in. When the engine reaches a certain temp it will kick in until the temp goes back down.
    With an electric fan, a sensor will tell it when to cut in & out. By adding a switch you have the option to turn the fan off or on @ anytime, like I had in my trucks, giving you  more control over the temperature.

                                                                                                    OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on November 13, 2009, 05:48:58 am

  Well I guess I got everything screwed up good on this computer. I took pics of my engine being cleaned & painted before & after, but I can't get them on the computer. The top, block, & base pan are Old Ford Blue. A few brackets & pulleys are left to be painted. I think it looks great !! Just waiting to give the paint time to harden some before handling too much. When I get this picture thing straightened out, I'll put them on. I finally have things geared up to get the belly pan put in place & welded next week. I'll get the motor mounts done same time. Thanks Gror for showing me your engine. It made my color choice alot easier to choose.

                                                                                       One Proud Old Trucker !
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: grfishmaker on November 13, 2009, 06:13:21 pm
Now, now there OT, stop blaming your computer. We know your mind is on working on your bomber and you are just not concentrating on posting your pictures right. Take a few deep breaths and try again. ha ha Concentrate man, concentrate!
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on November 14, 2009, 10:44:41 pm

  I have managed to get a few pics to post here.

  The Before !!

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http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0224.jpg

  And The After !!

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http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0253.jpg

   Here's a couple more.

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http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0249.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0248.jpg

   I have a few more pieces painted & put to one side to dry more before handling. Also I will put another coat of paint on the trans after replacing the filter & gasket. This is my first time doing anything like, & I must say I feel good about what I have done so far.

                                                                One Happy Old Trucker
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: orin on November 15, 2009, 12:34:30 am
Looking good O.T.  What shade of blue is that?
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on November 15, 2009, 05:26:53 am

  It looks a little different in some pics, but I think it's where the sun was on it. That color paint is the same as Grors. It's called "OLD FORD BLUE" made by Plastic Kote. The grey on the trans & will be on the goose neck, water, & fuel pumps is called a rebuilders cast paint. Color is "Rebuilders Grey" made by the same crowd. It looks like the original shade of new parts like the master cylinder.They have different colors in that too. I bought 3 cans of blue. Just started to use the third can now. You may get away with 2 if you know how to paint. I bought it @ Canadian Tire.
  I used an old flat screwdriver, hammer & four or five of those small wire wheels (different shapes) that fit into a drill to chip & clean the scales of rust off. Little tip: once in awhile put your drill in reverse & it's like putting in a new brush!! Orin If you can get @ your frost plugs easy now is the time to change them. I had three that were ready to leak. Only $1.40 each. Call it preventative maintenance.

                                                                                                            The Old Trucker 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: gror on November 15, 2009, 08:13:12 am
Looks good OT keep the pics coming .
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on November 15, 2009, 09:31:41 am
    Thanks Gror !! I appreciate it.  ;D   8)  ::) By the way Gror did you make a removable belly pan in case you have to work on the engine ?? If so, how big?  Gror or anyone that has a ford 300/C6 combo, can someone get a measurement & pic of where it sits in the frame, as I have no body sections to use as a guide.
   
 Example ;  Measure from a cross member on the frame to a certain part on the engine or trans. I would like to get this done at the same time as the mounts & pan are done as I have to put the frame on my trailer & haul it down the road each time I want some welding done.

                                                                                  Thanks from OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on November 15, 2009, 09:55:40 am
yup it's shaping up OT,nice job!!
                                             kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on November 21, 2009, 06:30:25 am

   Thanks KPM for the complements. I am in a bit of an emergency @ this moment. When we cut away the old tin that acts as a heat shield for the engine, I forgot to get a measurement of the height of it before. It was cut away with a plasma cutter. I still have the old stuff but it's hard to line up.
   I want to make sure I want to make sure that I end up with the right angle of the end pieces like you can see in Grfishmakers reply # 18. I have to replace everything across the back end. I have it geared up to get my welding started tomorrow.
   You can see what I am talking about at the start of my rebuild in pics 3 & 5.
                           
                                                                                     A stressed out OT.

PS. I'll soon be as forgetful as you.... Grfishmaker !!! 


 

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: orin on November 21, 2009, 10:18:19 am
O.T.  The tin is 17 1/2"s high at the end by the tranny and then the angle length at the back is 6 5/8"s. The small angle iron uprights go about 1/4" past or higher then the tin. Hope this helps you out.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on November 21, 2009, 07:22:02 pm

   Thanks Orin !! Now all I have to do is wait for the call to bring her to his garage.

                                                                                       OT.   
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: orin on November 22, 2009, 07:00:36 pm
Did you get it welded up O.T.? The 300 is a little longer the the old flat head was, so you want the end of your valve cover as close to the fire wall as you can get it and then move the rad back a couple of inches. I put mine a little to close to the firewall and had to move the firewall ahead an inch.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on November 22, 2009, 07:30:21 pm
 
   I bought it over today. We started to grind & clean up around the new weld areas. Will be putting in 10 ft. length sections of 11 gauge plate tomorrow. HOPEFULY !!
   That's what I'm trying to say Orin, I have nothing to go by like the firewall or rad mounting brackets. That's why I need to use some point on the frame if possible. Otherwise I'll have to wait till I start building the frame.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on November 23, 2009, 08:58:09 pm

  Well OT. is felling good tonight !! We got the plate in place & welded in. Got a couple of motor mounts made up. Even got most of the back section that holds the plywood & framing on each side of the rad door done. We will go at it again tomorrow morning for a couple of hrs. & come close to finishing it. I am taking pics of everything. Got to give to my neighbour to put on his computer & send to me.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on December 17, 2009, 06:06:46 pm
 I took the cover off the trans yesterday & broke off two 5/16" bolts. I knew just who to call in to fix the problem. My neighbour!! He drilled a 1/8 hole through them, then used a 7/32 bit to chase the holes. When he was finished he taped the holes. Here are a couple of pics showing how accurate he was. I thought it was great for free hand work. Gotta stay on the good side with him.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0283.jpg

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on December 25, 2009, 07:14:40 am

   Orin do you have the number for that bushing you used on your steering?? I have to go to St. John's in three weeks for another checkup & that is where the only Princess Auto store is located down here.
   What do you think of drilling a hole through the housing & the brass & put in a grease nipple in to keep everything greased up inside??
                                                                      OT.
                                                                   
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on December 25, 2009, 10:59:05 am

  I got an early Christmas gift offered to me yesterday. I was offered a 300 fuel injected Ford engine, free for the taking. It has low mileage on it. I would like to know if my C6 transmission will bolt up to this engine & if it would be a better engine for the bombers. I have a place to keep it out of the weather. Just want to know if it's worth bringing home.
  I must have been a good boy all year, I guess??

                                                                                                The Old Trucker
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: orin on January 02, 2010, 12:10:12 pm
O.T.  The bushings are 5/8X1X1 1/4. part no. 3872108.  you can see them on the princess auto web site. I was thinking of using a grease needle to give it a few shots once in awhile.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on January 02, 2010, 05:26:56 pm

   I like the idea of the grease nipple. A friend was thinking along the lines of using a sealed bearing. I think the bushing idea would work OK. Things are pretty well slowed down for now. my so called buddy "Art Rightis" is always hanging around this time of the year.
       
                                                                                           A stiff old trucker
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on January 25, 2010, 02:16:22 pm
  Orin, Gror, or Swamp Dwag, when I put my engine (300 Ford) in place, how should I aline it side to side?? I was thinking of centering the big bolt on the crank in between the frame rails. I think it's 11.25 " Think that will be OK  ??? :-\ Thanks in advance   
   
    Ohh... When I install my motor, the height from the belly pan to the bottom of the base pan will be 3". Think that will be enough clearance ??

                                                                                                     OT.  
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: gror on January 27, 2010, 06:07:11 pm
My biggest issue I had was to get enough room for the alternator. I had to put on a remote oil filter because I could not get a short oil filter on .
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on January 28, 2010, 03:26:07 pm
  Do anyone know the measurements of the wood pieces in these 2 pics ? I have what I call the left front fender, the piece with the curve & pipe in it. I know the other side is a mirror image.
                                                                
                                                                                                                         OT.
  PS:   I had this post in Orin's site. I put it in mine to keep everything together.

Here are a couple of the latest pics. http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae141/orinleecarlson/045.jpg

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Cranman on February 02, 2010, 01:28:30 pm
OT
I notice that bombardier always put the motor cenered one inch to the right, to line up with the diff. In the narrow guage that also allowed just enough room for the muffler. There may be some justification for having one plane straight in the driveline too but I don't think it matters that much. With the 300 it is a tight fit and I don't think there is room to have the 300 centered. The 300 owners can steer you in the right on this one.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Swamp Dawg on February 02, 2010, 07:42:20 pm
My biggest issue I had was to get enough room for the alternator. I had to put on a remote oil filter because I could not get a short oil filter on .

This is what we did also.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on February 02, 2010, 09:17:43 pm

  Thanks guys. I have to wait until next week to go at this again because the fellow that does my welding is away working till next Wednesday. I have a good idea how far ahead or back the motor goes, thanks to Orin. And now I know where to center it.
  I will weld the long 2x3 channels in place first, then lay the motor mounts in place & drill the holes to fasten it.
  Cranman are the rims from an older J5 the same as the bomber rim ?? I have a loan of one from Mike & it looks the same.
                                                thanks again from OT.   
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Cranman on February 03, 2010, 02:42:09 pm
OT
I'm not sure if the J5 rim will fit as I don't have a J5. I remember that the ones I used in the 60's were smaller axles than the later ones. It may be that they were using the 15118 cones like the ones on the heavier metal machines made later. So maybe it will work ok on your smaller axle using 15112 cones in your 15250 cups. I can't find my old J5 book si I'm guessing here.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on February 03, 2010, 03:18:17 pm
[. Also took a pic of the way the vacuum hose is pointing on the distributor. http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae141/orinleecarlson/009.jpg

 This is Orins oil filter & dist. I plan to try & do the same with mine. If I have to move the oil filter, I'll see if I can find something around localy.
    Would oil run through a fuel filter mounting bracket ?? I had a remote (primary) fuel filter own my trucks. Maybe an oil filter may fit right in place. Any thoughts ??

                                                                             OT. 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: bluetoque on February 03, 2010, 06:07:11 pm
OT when I installed my 300 I took a hole saw and made a slightly larger hole in line with the filter.Filter is just flush with the tub...works like a dam to remove and replace. Your going to need the odd extra hole to disperse the heat that engine will generate when you put her to work!
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on February 07, 2010, 04:37:57 pm

  Swamp Dawg what are you using for a muffler in your bomber ?? I looking to have a deep mellow sound to her when under load. Guess I'm old school.
  I love the sound of Cam's bomber. In your video, go to min.7;40 of it & listen to that beautiful sound.
 
PS;; TURN UP THE VOLUME !!!!                                                 
                                                            A Quivering OT.                                   
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on February 11, 2010, 03:39:33 am

    Would anyone have any pics of the parts that I need to put my rim onto the axle ?? I know the front three axles have a spacer on them to line the wheels with the back one. I have nothing. I wanted to see what I can get or make locally before buying. Isn't there a big washer that goes on before the inner bearing goes on ?? Then the rim, outer bearing with another big washer before the nut & cotter pin. I have a manual but it's not clear enough to see. I want to put 4 wheels on now to help carry the extra weight of the engine.
 
                                                                          OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: oldsledz on February 11, 2010, 05:48:53 am
O.T. 

I had new ones made for mine for they were worn a bit from running the bearing too loose.  I still have them and I could get you the dimensions.  You may check with Dan also.    There is no washer,  it just slides onto the spindle and then the inner bearing.  The spacers also act as a rubbing face for the wheel seal as well.  AND------  I have traced the plywood templates but the paper is huge.  about 5' tall and about 12" round when rolled up.  I am going to Valcourt tomorrow and then to St Raymond on Sunday witht the B12.   Do you have anyone you know that will be there,  I could give the templates to them.

Oldsledz
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on February 17, 2010, 07:52:05 am

  BIGDAVE can you get a pic of that window on the right from the inside ?? I want to see the brackets & how it all works.

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac210/BIGDAVE2_2010/pictures/DaveNali.jpg
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: BIGDAVE on February 18, 2010, 02:15:35 am
OT, it's 2am!  You think I'm going out in my long johns and get a pic of the window??  You're lucky it not colder than +10 or I'd have to find a hat! Besides, my cute little model isn't here.  But what the heck, find pics on photobuckette soon.  BIGDAVE  ps I am going to need brief history of these Bombers for show.  Where to find?
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 04, 2010, 07:02:57 pm

  It's gonna be tight....Real tight !!! I finally got the motor in place. Everything looks centered up pretty good. I was thinking about putting an access door on the passenger side also... allowing access to the oil filter. I have the trans lined up where Orin was showing me & I have 15" from the crank pulley to the rear bumper. There's 13" from the fan to the rear bumper. I have 24" from top of the rear axle to the top of the fan blade. I have 2 1/2" clearance between the base pan & the belly pan. I have 11 gauge plate for the belly pan. Tomorrow I'll get the motor mounts welded together & make a mounting bracket for the trans.
  Should be lots of room for a radiator. I have being taking pics but I can't get them from the camera to the computer. I'll post them when I figure it out. She's starting to look good.

                                                                             A Happy Old Trucker
                                                                         
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 05, 2010, 05:58:38 pm
   Finally got it to work !!!

  Here's the cleats that I can get. It's the one on bottom . This one is bent. It has the same length & same bolt hole spacing. It takes a 7/16 bolt & the one on top takes a 3/8 bolt. He wants $2.00 each & he says the pieces for the back go with it. Anyone got comments on this, Please ??

  I have a chance to get rims off a 1949 J5, I was told they are same as mine.   

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Swamp Dawg on March 05, 2010, 06:15:40 pm

  Swamp Dawg what are you using for a muffler in your bomber ?? I looking to have a deep mellow sound to her when under load. Guess I'm old school.
  I love the sound of Cam's bomber. In your video, go to min.7;40 of it & listen to that beautiful sound.
 
PS;; TURN UP THE VOLUME !!!!                                                 
                                                            A Quivering OT.                                   


No muffler, straight out, and Its sounds pretty good. 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 06, 2010, 03:01:01 pm
   MORE OF OT'S UPADTE;

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 06, 2010, 08:41:51 pm

  As you can see, it's close. I have 1" on each side of the motor mounts. There's 7/8" clearance on the oil filter. I think I will put a second access panel in the passenger side, giving room to work at the timing, fuel pump & oil filter. I'm also putting in a removable panel in the belly pan for engine access.
  There is 13" clearance from the fan blade to the rear bumper. It's 24" from top of axle to top of fan blade now. Think it's enough room for a rad ??
  Anyone got thoughts on if I'm doing this right or not ?? Feel free to tell me if I'm doing anything wrong as I can use all the help I can get.  Thanks...

                                                                        The Old Trucker
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 06, 2010, 09:30:48 pm
looks like it's coming along!!
                                             kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 10, 2010, 08:06:58 pm

   Here's what the old fellow has been doing the last couple of days. Been busy making new heat shield panels for both sides for better motor access. Put in a removable belly pan access panel. Tomorrow we, my neighbour & I, will make the framing that goes in front of the heat shields, a trans mount, plus a bit of framing around the belly pan opening to help stiffen things up. I'm hoping to get the welding done on Saturday.
   Here's a few pics.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0359.jpg

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Swamp Dawg on March 10, 2010, 09:22:27 pm
Damn OT this is looking good!  Keep up the excellent work!
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 11, 2010, 04:34:47 am

   Thanks Dawg....only problem is he just like Mike. Gotta have his TIMMIE fix to get started in the morning & when finished at end of day. I guess it's worth it though, he has being doing all the cutting & fitting.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: oldsledz on March 11, 2010, 06:07:16 am
O.T.

Looks real good.  Will you have it ready for next winter??

Oldsledz

P.S.-------I know,  I have got to get the pattern tracings to you soon!!!
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 11, 2010, 09:47:25 am
OT..have not forgotten the manual......like I told you...it will be awhile...I am hoping to be in the city next week...and get her done!!!....AS FOR CLEARENCE ..MY 302 WAS BOUT THE SAME.....and never ran hot...temperature was around 170..
                                                      kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 11, 2010, 10:06:06 am

  Copy that my friend.. I'm putting the old bomber in tomorrow for welding. Should have pics tomorrow night or Saturday.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 11, 2010, 01:09:39 pm
you keep buying that gentleman all the Timmy's he can drink,he seems to be good at what he does!!
                                                    kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 11, 2010, 02:42:41 pm

  oldsledz I would like to have her done for next winter but will have to play it by ear. The fellow that gave me the frame said if I show enough progress, he'll help me out with the wheels, as I still need five more. I can get enough J5 cleats to do the tracks for two bucks a piece. When I get everything welded in place, my buddy is icthing to get the motor in & running. Guess he wants to see how good my backyard mechanics are. Anyone got an old rad for sale as long as the tanks are good ?? I'll post a couple more pics tonight when I get home. So far I feel good as to how everything is coming together.
  Kpm I'm glad to buy the TIMS, but don't tell him that, his head will swell up !! And oldsledz, thanks for the patterns..

                                                              The Old Trucker feels like a kid in a candy store.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 11, 2010, 07:41:54 pm
OT
     i'd stay away from the j5 cleats,my good friend has both j5's and bombardiers...he once tried the j5 cleats on the bombardier...and found they were not to his liking ..on the bombardier they tend to throw up way too much snow,and because of the higher outside leading edge they just did not perform as well as bombatdier cleats( they also made more noise)...as you know there are both a regular and heavy bombardier cleat....both seem to work well.....myself liking the heavy cleats...i'm sharing with you what my good friend shared with me....maybe better than trial by fire!!
                                                                                               kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Cranman on March 11, 2010, 09:30:45 pm
I agree with kpm on this one. Fellow across the bay here had them on his machine when purchased and didn't like them. There isn't enough on a j5 to do a bombardier and you can't very well mix and match with other cleats. The backing plates/track guides are too clunky and heavy too. On a woodie I'd suggest the light cleats with the 5/16" bolts and backing plates. Keep looking OT and some will turn up somewhere.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 12, 2010, 05:25:02 am

  Thanks  boys. I appreciate this info. I have another option in the spring, when the snow goes. There's a fellow that says he has a bunch of them still on the tracks in his backyard that I could have. Just gotta wait.
   OH well... gotta go ... got appointment with the welder. Hope everything goes good.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 12, 2010, 08:07:46 am
.....well spring seems to be just around the corner..even here...so not long to wait!!!!...it's calling for a high of plus 10 here tommorow...a warm day for the rally...although i'm far from a camera buff,i will be taking mine and hopefully lot's of pictures!!....ot...i'll try and get a picture of cranman and his bombardier for you,as i know both him and his son...a face to go with the name(if u dont already have one)..he has an extensive history with bombardiers,and I consider his advice to be very good,as most of it would be first hand experience!!!
                                      kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 15, 2010, 03:29:06 pm

   HERE'S THE LATEST UPDATE FROM OT & HIS FABRICATER !!

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0370.jpg

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http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0375.jpg

 Here is my welder is on the left & my fabricator on the right.
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http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0382.jpg

  Here they are fitting new pieces for the door framing to bolt to.

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http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0392.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0396.jpg

I have some more pics I took today, but I can't seem to get them on.

                                                                                      OT grinning from ear to ear !                 



Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 15, 2010, 03:49:36 pm
  AND HERE'S THE REST THAT THE OL' FELLER DIDN'T SEND TO PB!!  ALL MY FAULT...

  These were taken today as everything was going together..

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 15, 2010, 04:00:16 pm

  As you can see there's not much room left. We built a new trans mount, made a few tweaks to the dip sticks so they stay inside & got everything lined up good. Even threw a drop of paint to the outside panels to smurf her up a little.
  He's itching to start the engine but gotta get a rad first. Guess we'll put the manifold on tomorrow & maybe start on the linkages for the motor.
   I tell ya, it's cutting into my stash.. going to have find a bank to rob. hahaha
 
                                                              Yes sir... OT'S happy taday !! ;D 8) ::)   
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: grfishmaker on March 15, 2010, 04:12:12 pm
Hey ther OT, looking good. I'm glad for you and can imagine your delight. Nice to see when things start to take shape.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 15, 2010, 07:12:45 pm

  Thanks Grfishmaker !! To me it's like a million bucks already.. I certainly appreciate the help from my friends in the pics & the members from here. Only regret I have is not been able to help much with this project.
   I don't know what I'm going to do for the exhaust. Anyone got ideas ?? Not much room there.

                                                                  A Proud Old Trucker !!
                                                                           
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Swamp Dawg on March 15, 2010, 07:50:10 pm
Lookin good OT, should have it ready for the next rally I think.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 16, 2010, 03:27:03 am

   I hope she is ready for then Dawg. I'd love to do that. Thanks for the comment.     OT. 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: oldsledz on March 16, 2010, 05:35:31 am
O.T.

Looking real good.  You WILL have to rob a bank to finish.  I did!!
Kids won't be getting any of my retirement.
Oldsledz
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 16, 2010, 02:05:49 pm

Looking real good.  You WILL have to rob a bank to finish.  I did!!
Kids won't be getting any of my retirement.
Oldsledz
   Thanks Oldsledz..
I'll rob one on your side of the border & make money on the exchange rate.. My neighbour that's helping me says tomorrow we'll install the manifold & route the exhaust out somewhere. I'd like to put it through the side but don't think there's enough room for that. I am looking at a 3" diameter resonator 15" long. I am looking for a deep throaty sound. Old School Rules !!
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 18, 2010, 06:58:39 pm
dam,I knew I should have went to school!!!!
                                    kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 19, 2010, 06:29:54 pm

   LOOKS LIKE THINGS ARE GETTING MUFFLED !!

    We got the exhaust system made up today & managed to keep it in the original spot. There's about 3/4" clearance around it.  Used a small 3" resonator & tied in a short piece of braided flex line. Tomorrow, we will make a "double" elbow so it will exit through the side. We used muffler clamps on the joins. We could have got more clearance if the joins were welded, but I think this will do. It's a good thing we made the access panels 2" wider than original.   
  Will all this work.... I hope it will. Here's a few pics of the setup.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0423.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0425.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0426.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0422.jpg

 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 20, 2010, 08:24:58 am
..looks like it should work,that braided line will allow some flex..
                                               kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 21, 2010, 10:35:55 am

  Grfishmaker, Orin, kpm, Gror, Oldsledz, Chopperguy.... Can either one of you tell me what you used for your gas linkage from engine to pedal. Anyone got a pic of how the gas pedal linkage fits ?? I have the original linkage but I need to see how it fits in place..   
                                                                            Thanks, OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 21, 2010, 03:18:11 pm
it's just on a rod OT...all the way back then up the firewall.
                                       kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 21, 2010, 03:21:16 pm
without taking up the floor it's hard to get a picture from front to back...it's just a rod with a u clevis attached on to the pedal at front.
                                                         kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: oldsledz on March 21, 2010, 04:39:39 pm
In mine,  the gas pedal hooks to a piece of solid wire that goes in a steel tube -- maybe 3/8" in diameter and it goes all the way to the engine.  The choke cable also runs inside this tube.  Look back on some of the pics here on site  and I think you will see it.

Oldsledz
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 21, 2010, 07:03:16 pm

  Thanks guys. My neighbour/ mechanic/fabricator wants a pic.   OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 21, 2010, 07:09:39 pm
 
   Gror are you using a stock alternator on your machine ?? I think I am going to have a clearance problem with mine. I can mount it in place but there's only about 1" for adjustment.
   When looking at my motor from the rear of the machine it is about 1" to the right of center.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: gror on March 22, 2010, 05:30:11 pm
Yes ,Im using a delco so I didnt need the external regulator
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: gror on March 22, 2010, 06:02:06 pm
I just sent you a bunch of pics to your email address, hope they help.Just email me with any questions.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 22, 2010, 06:15:12 pm

  Thanks Gror. In one pic, I see you don't have much clearance from the alt. & the side panel. Looks about same as mine. I think I will have to get a new bracket fabricated. Is your bracket stock ?? Do you have enough room to adjust the belt ??
                                                  OT. 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: gror on March 22, 2010, 06:27:59 pm
I just shortend the bracket and redrilled the mount hole on the moter side, and there is lots of room for adjustment.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 22, 2010, 06:35:25 pm

  I'll get a pic of my bracket now in a minute. I think it's cast & it sticks out alot. Be right back.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 22, 2010, 06:56:09 pm

  Here we go. Gror I guess my bracket is different than yours. My engine is from a 1984. I forgot, the alt. is a delco.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0427.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0428.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0429.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0430.jpg
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 23, 2010, 04:08:10 pm
looks kinda sorta tight OT...you might have to get your welder to make a different bracket..
                                                                 kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 23, 2010, 05:57:48 pm
  "MY SONNY BOYS"

   I think I may have found a rad, but I need help from my fellow members. This rad is from a military power wagon. He thinks the core is 20" wide & 20-21" high with the mounting brackets on the sides.
   Oldsledz you have a power wagon. Could you have a look to see for me ?? Anybody know if this is possible ??
                                                                                       A radiating ol' trucker !!!!

 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 23, 2010, 07:24:13 pm
original 20 x26...22 with mounting bracket...so 22x 26 complete.
                                                   kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 25, 2010, 06:13:43 pm
   Thanks kpm. I was talking to a fellow today that has a power wagon. He measured his rad for me. He says the core is 21" wide, plus the mounting brackets, 19" high, plus the height of the tanks, & 5" thick. He said his truck has the same rad & engine that was used in those big industrial welders that ran steady for hours on end.
   Here are a few pics of what we have been at the last couple of days. Thanks Cranman for that "bell crank tip". As you can see all we had to supply were a couple of washers, clips & we made a couple of Teflon bushings. The bell crank & rod were already there.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0444.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0439.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0440.jpg

 In this pic the cable will tie into the piece in his hand.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0438.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0452.jpg

  In the last pic you'll see that I have to cut off this bracket, flip it to the other side & it should work.   

 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 25, 2010, 06:21:45 pm

   Here's a few more including the exhaust.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0436.jpg

   This is the muffler tiedown bracket.
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0435.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0433.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0446.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0445.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0442.jpg



Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 25, 2010, 06:23:48 pm
it's sure coming together!!
                                       kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: grfishmaker on March 25, 2010, 07:45:38 pm
Looking good there OT! If I didn't know any better I would swear that you must have a couple of Manitobans putting that together. Any chance of seeing some type of identification? (not that I don't trust you)
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 26, 2010, 04:54:38 am


   Thanks Grfishmaker.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 26, 2010, 02:54:42 pm

   Gror we took the old alternator bracket & started cutting & shaping. This is what we came up with. It gave us a bit more swing room on the inside. Looks & works great..

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0448.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0447.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0449.jpg

Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 26, 2010, 09:31:33 pm
that looks about right OT
                                        kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: gror on March 27, 2010, 07:58:21 am
Looks good OT and the exaust looks like something I am going to steal from you, Design thay is,Lookin good.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 27, 2010, 09:46:49 am

   Better not let my fabricator know what your doing. He might have a patten taken out on it !!! ha ha. Glad to be of help you my friend...   
                                                                          OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: lakerguy on March 29, 2010, 09:44:55 am
OT - I have been checking in on your thread regularly to see the progress right from the beginning.   Looking good!  Cheers to the  commitment and effort in building your machine from scratch.  Not many would have taken on a project as big and as complicated as that. I bet there are many of us out here in cyberspace who are quietly following your journey. Thanks for all the pics.
               All the best,
            Dave, wannabee lurking in Saskatoon
 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 29, 2010, 02:47:02 pm

  Thanks lakerguy. I don't think I would have started this if I didn't have the frame to start with. My neighbour has helped me tremendously the last few weeks with measuring, cutting & fitting things together. We argue back & forth till we come up with a solution to the problem.
   Today I bought a 4 bolt rotor & what they call a semi loaded caliper for a 1998 Toyota tersel to make the brake setup. I will get a couple of pics of it tonight. We are fabricating a bracket now to mount it.

   I may post a pic of a woody frame soon & I will be asking for the members help in getting measurements.

                                                                          Puttin the brakes to OT. !!
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 29, 2010, 03:04:17 pm

   Swamp Dawg I need your help.... Can you tell me how I can copy a few pics of the framing so I can bring them out to the shed, making it alot easier on the ol' brain....
                                                                               OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on March 29, 2010, 03:26:27 pm
  Hope you don't mind me using your pic Orin.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/Camspic.jpg

 I would like to get the demisions of the pieces of wood with a letter on them. For example; A is 7/8" thick by 4" wide by 47" long. I want these so I can be ready to start the frame work soon. Any & all help is appreciated.
  One thing I've been sizing is Mike's 57 bomber. Would most of the body be the same as a woody. I know the front is different.
                
PS. It starts with A & ends with H.      
                                      Thanks from The Old Trucker
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 29, 2010, 04:28:30 pm
OT
     what about grfishmaker,did he not have templates??
                                                                                 kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on March 29, 2010, 04:30:37 pm
OT
      maybe he juz had the old peices he had removed,i'm thinking that's what he told me..
                                                                          kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on April 19, 2010, 04:46:37 pm

  Thought you folks might like to see the new cables that will control my fuel & transmission linkage. I have to wait for my neighbour/ welder to weld together a bracket I made to hold them in place. I think the trans is going to work really good. The cables are for a PTO setup. There's a 1/4" stainless shaft on each end with 4" travel. The transmission one is 10' long & the gas one is 14' long.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0528.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0527.jpg
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on April 22, 2010, 06:10:10 pm

    Here are a couple of pics of how I have the shifter linkage hooked up. In the first pic I will flip the ear to the other side & hookup the cable. Everything works fine & shifts the right way. I had to make a larger bell crank than what was originally used so the kick down rod would work OK. The cable I used on this is 11 ft. (132")& not 10 ft. as I said earlier. Most bombers should be able to use the original brackets with the trans. 
    I have it all taken apart again to paint. 

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0452-1.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0544.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0543.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0542.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0541.jpg 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: grfishmaker on April 22, 2010, 06:57:08 pm
Looks like a PRO there OT. How does it feel as far as the movement on the shift lever? Is there too short a travel or not too bad? On mine, it is still reversed (no bell crank yet) and there is too short a throw on the shifter lever. I'm going to let you experiment on yours, screw up a bit, fix it right, and then I will copy yours (cause that's what friends are for). Right?
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on April 23, 2010, 09:03:06 am

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[/quote]

  Grfishmaker there is almost 2" adjustment at the end & another 2" at the nuts that hold the casing in place. I think that could give you a short amount of travel at the trans & long travel at the stick. I'll let you know for sure later.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on April 28, 2010, 04:48:38 pm

  REMEMBER THAT BEATLES SONG CALLED " HELP ". Well that's what I need now, & lots of it.. 

  Gror do you have your rad mounted in the stock location ?? How did you get the top rad hose to work..

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0560.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0559.jpg

In the pic below you can see where the rad is situated. I looked at Grors pics & his rad looks like it's 3-4" ahead of mine. I'm wondering if my engine has to go farther ahead or just lift the rad up a bit.
 
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0561.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0563.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0562.jpg
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on April 28, 2010, 05:03:04 pm

 

Thought you might like to see how I am going about hooking up my trans linkage. The top two pics show the before & the bottom two show how it will look when I get it welded.

  BEFORE...
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0555.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0556.jpg

  AFTER....
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0557.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0558.jpg

Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: grfishmaker on April 28, 2010, 07:18:59 pm
OT, can't you just cut off some of the pipe on the rad so that you can just use a 90 degree rubber rad hose to tie them together. Or am I maybe missing what you are asking.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on April 29, 2010, 05:31:36 am

  The problem is the pipe on the rad is alot BIGGER ROUND than the pipe on the goose neck. On Grors it looks like he has 2 different size hoses on his. Also I think the rad has to go a bit higher & I think it will interfere with the rad door closing. Right now my rad is back past the back axle. I noticed on Grors it looks like his is ahead of the axle.
  I think if I keep the rad where it is now, I can leave the fan off the engine & find an electric fan to fit in place.
 
  I'm open to any suggestions anyone has. I need HELP !!

                                                               A puzzled OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Woodsy on April 29, 2010, 07:34:09 am
take it to a rad shop they can install whatever you want on the rad   Woodsy
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on April 29, 2010, 07:42:02 am

  Thanks Woodsy. But I still think my engine may have to be moved ahead some so the rad will clear the rad door & the fan. The rad is an original one for the bomber, I think.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Cranman on April 30, 2010, 07:40:50 am
It looks like you may want to take it to a rad shop anyway OT, to replace the filler on top so you can use a 14 lb cap. I don't think the 300 likes to run cold. Like woodsy says the changing of the top spout is an easy job for them and not likely too expensive.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on May 01, 2010, 07:03:49 am

   Thanks Cranman. The rad is original. I have to wait till Tuesday for the rad man to come back to work, so I will go out & measure up a few things till then. I am looking for a 6-7 blade fan that can bolt directly to the pulley, giving me a bit more room. I think I should have put the strips that hold the rad in place before putting in the motor, allowing me to get a more accurate measurement. I guess we'll mark this one down as due to lack of experience. I hope I don't have to move the engine back. 
   
  Here's an email I got from one of our members :
OT, I am rebuilding a wood bug as well.The rad is back in its original location and it 4 in from the centre of rear axel to the inside face of the rad.You would want about 1 in.of clearance from fan to rad.Dont use an elec fan as it will not cool .I know a guy that tried that.I have a narrow ga steel bug that I put a 300 ford wi a c6 auto in it and I have heating issues with it. You want to stick with a 6 or seven blade fan to move air...if able get the largest diam damper pully you can find to speed up fan and water pump .Iwill try send you what I started with when I started this progect.Hope this helps.

  It helps alot my friend. This is what I need, all the info I can get. Thanks again !!
                                                                                         
                                                                                           Just another minor set back for OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: gror on May 01, 2010, 10:07:46 am
I took my rad to a rad shop and had it dipped and pressure tested, he then changed the top so it would hold pressure instead of spewing all over the place for about 100.00 ,works great now. I did not move my rad but I did have to shorten the top port and make an adaptor to fit 2inch to 1 1/2 inch rad hoses together  . I wanted to change out the top port to 1 1/2 inch but the old one was cast and the rad man said he would have to melt down my rad to get it out . The mods I done are working fine anyways, all I need to do now is to install the huge electric pusher fan I have.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on May 01, 2010, 12:09:52 pm

   Thanks for the info & the pic Gror. I am pretty sure I am going to have to move the engine back for clearance for the rad. I don't think it will be much trouble to do that. There are 4 bolts for the motor mounts, plus 2 for the bracket that holds the shifter cable in place & the 2 on the trans.
   In the pic below you'll see the mount that holds the trans in place. It is a piece of 2" channel. I'm thinking of welding a piece of 5/16" plate on top where the mount would sit. It would be 7" wide by 7-8" long(toward the front of the machine) I will drill 2 new holes for the bracket. I think that should hold everything in place. Almost forgot, I'll have to cut out a section of exhaust between the flex & the resonator to keep everything lined up with the outlet on the side. 
 
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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: marcdds on May 01, 2010, 07:26:50 pm
the rads on a wood body is different than a steel one the top tank is hand made like on a b7 on a steel one its factory made . the rad core is also different on the wood one it looks like the core of older ford the steel one is more like today style. the rad you are putting in looks like it came from a steel body hope this can help you
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on May 03, 2010, 04:10:23 am
  Thanks marcdds. It is from a steel body machine... One of these that we picked up & dragged home yesterday.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0567.jpg
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0569.jpg
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0579.jpg
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0595.jpg
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0599.jpg
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0551.jpg

   We ended up getting double of everything.
  
 Here's 2 shots of an abandoned one just 200 ft. from the other two. We got a diff from this donor.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0583.jpg
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT0584.jpg

   And here is the newest proud owner of a bomber. This is Mike's brother(57 rebuild).

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on May 03, 2010, 04:40:34 am
  Marcdds I have a rad from an old Dodge power wagon ( on the right in the first pic) that looks 2-3" lower than the bomber one. It will fit, all I have to do is cut off the mounting tabs & tack on new flat pieces as the core in this one is close to 22 1/2" wide. I will try that one out before moving the motor. The rad on the right in the second pic is the third one that I got with those 2 bombers yesterday.

Anybody got suggestions ??

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on May 03, 2010, 12:51:01 pm
lot's of treasures probably still unfound OT...
                                                                    kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on May 25, 2010, 06:07:17 pm

   I got a email from Guy Pepin at the bombardier museum today. He answered my question about who sold the machines down here, & how many also. I could only account for 4-5 of them. I'm still trying to find the original engine that was in mine, so I can find more info about it.   

From:  Guy Pépin (g.pepin@fjab.qc.ca) 
Sent: May 25, 2010 3:32:21 PM
To:  claude stratton (popsshed@hotmail.com)

Mr. Stratton,

We have 73 B12 in our register sold by « Newfoundland Distributors Ltd, Corner Brook » from 1947 to 1951.

Sincerely,
Guy Pépin
Conservateur-restaurateur / Conservator-Restorer



Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on June 14, 2010, 02:58:46 pm

   Does anyone know the length of the short piece of pipe used for a spacer that lines up the three front wheels with the rear axle ?? I think Oldsledz put it on here somewhere but I can't seem to find it. I had two on mine & they were only 1 3/16".
                                                                    OT.   
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on June 18, 2010, 06:28:30 pm
  Here's a pic of my new bushings that I had made from uhmw polyethylene. That stuff is supposed to wear better than steel, & they say it's self lubricating, but I will put low temp grease in there also. First he cut them a little oversize & pressed them in place. Then he drilled them out to fit on the body axles.

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  I have a question about installing the wheel & bearings on a B12. Here's a pic of how I think it should go on. I want to know if this is the right way. I have new bearings & seals ordered. I need to know what the length of # 10 is, as the 3 I have are different lengths.

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: oldsledz on June 20, 2010, 07:25:13 pm
O.T.

Can't seem to remember a given length on those but the ones that were really short would not allow you to tighten up the wheel bearing to proper specs.  You would run out of threads on the spindle.  I had some on mine that had other washers in there to try to keep the wheel bearings tight. I took the ones that were ok and had others made at the machine shop and they worked fine.  I guess I would try the longest one and if you can get the wheel bearing to tighten up,  use that one as the template for the others.  I think the reason they are too short is because the wheel bearing ran loose and made them spin.

Oldsledz 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on June 20, 2010, 07:58:43 pm

   Thanks Oldsledz.  I will try what you said on one wheel & if it doesn't go tight I'll make one a little longer.  I think they also help in lining up the front three wheels with the rear wheel. The post office thinks I should get those patterns this week.
                                                                                 Thanks again...OT. 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on November 11, 2010, 07:08:46 pm
  I like to apologize to the members for not making any progress in the last few months. I feel like I don't have much energy to get a start at anything. The doc said to sit back & rest what's left of the ol' ticker for awhile. Hopefully we'll get back at it soon. For now I will be a commentator for the boys progress down here.  

                                                                     One laid back old trucker.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: oldsledz on November 12, 2010, 08:03:24 am
All in time.  I have so many projects (3 cars, 1 truck and 25 snomobiles) that sometimes I just walk away from them.  When you are ready and able,  the machine will be waiting for you.--Keep the pace.
Hope things are better.
Oldseldz
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on November 12, 2010, 10:47:51 am

  Thanks Oldsledz... A good swift kick is all I need to get er' going again..    OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on December 31, 2010, 09:57:59 am

   Yes Virginia... There is a Santa Claus !     

  Remember Kris Kringle saying that in the movie " Miracle on 54th Street " I've watched it a few times & now it's time for the saying to change. It should now say.....   Yes OT...There is a Santa Claus !!   

   I took the Boss out to do a bit of last minute shopping yesterday & checked the mail in route. Low & behold she came back with the mail & a fairly large box under her arm. I said it must be a late Xmas present from one of the family. She said no it's for you.
   When I looked at the shipping address, my head started to swell up & a big smile came accross my face. I knew then what was inside. But who in the world would send this to me. I had to open it before going. First thing I saw was a note  saying "Merry Christmas and All the best in the New Year & singed by Santa" Then I saw the Northern Manitoba Bombardier Rally cap with the yellow bomber on it & 2 sweat shirts with the same logo on them.
   Well.....I think my head was swollen that much I thought I wasn't going to get the cap to fit. That definitely made my day. Like a kid in a candy store. After all day thinking about our new presents I think I have it narrowed dawn to the culprit that sent them.
   There is 1 of 3 possible people responsible for this & 2 have a "yellow bomber" same as on the logo. I would like thank you very much for the thoughtful gift you have sent & I will cherish this for a long time to come.


                                                            One now very Extra Large Old Trucker

 PS. I would like to mention that none of this would have been possible if it wasn't for Mr. Cameron McLean & his story in the woodworking magazine.  Thanks Cam... God Bless You my friend...
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on February 03, 2011, 05:55:31 pm
  I have a question about installing the wheel & bearings on a B12. Here's a pic of how I think it should go on. I want to know if this is the right way. I have new bearings & seals ordered. I need to know what the length of # 10 is, as the 3 I have are different lengths.

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   I have a small problem. I put on the four wheels on one side today & noticed that the front three are not in line with the rear one. In the pic, # 10, there were only 3 of them & 3 #11 when I got the frame. I had 6 new # 10's made @ 1 1/2" long, but it appears to be too short. Does anyone know what or how to measure for the right ones ? It's costly getting them made.
  Oldsledz did you said you had to get shims for yours ?

                                                                            Thanks from OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: dpaulson on February 03, 2011, 06:23:01 pm
OT, I don't think that you have to be all bang on.  I would say +- 3/16" would be close enough.  Your sprocket would really determine how far from the frame the wheels would sit.  The wheels might even be different spacing from the left side to the right.  I don't see a problem in adding more of the machine washers #11 to shim to center each wheel in line with the sprocket.  I think that it will be a trial and error for you.  Install a wheel and measure the center of tire to the frame and remove wheel again to add or subtract shim washers and reinstall the wheel. On mine there was one spindle that I had to install the castle nut on backwards as I didn't have enough thread to put the nut on and install the cotter pin after the wheel was shimmed out.  I don't recommend doing that though, but it is one of the middle wheels  so no real harm if it fell off.  I'll probably fix it next summer when I install some performance parts in the engine.  I'm glad your doing a bit more on the bomber = more pictures to share with us.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on February 04, 2011, 11:54:43 am

  Thanks Dave. I have noticed that when cleaning up & painting my rims that some are 3 1/2" wide & some are 4" wide, as I have bomber rims & old J5 rims that fit. I still have to mount the diff in place yet. I noticed that when I put the castle nut on some axles it goes in too far for the cotter pin to work. It looks like they were not particular about drilling these holes. I was told I could drill new holes. I'll see about getting a couple of pics to show what I mean.

                                                                                   OT. 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: dpaulson on February 04, 2011, 12:05:19 pm
You could also shim the nut out with some washers to make the nut reach the hole.  You just have to watch that the hub cap ,when screwed on, does not rub on the spindle or nut.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Cranman on February 07, 2011, 10:03:52 pm
Just looking at your line up of parts wheel bearing/axle parts OT. I don't recognize the outer thrust washer #3 that goes between the bearing and the nut. Most of the ones I've seen are a narrow washer and the originals had a tang on the inside to mate up with the keyway in the axle, so they don't turn. I don't think that part is all that important as the whole shebang is running in grease anyway. I've come across ordinary washers used there but they gouged two or three places on the outer edge so the grease from the hubcap can get back inside to feed the inner bearing. You don't want the hub cap coming in tight to the washer and stop the grease.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on February 08, 2011, 06:58:37 pm
 Thanks Cranman. That #3 is one that Dan Shaver sent to me. It isn't very thick. I thought he said most people screw the nut to the back of the bearing. My spindles have the key way cut into them. I would feel more comfortable with the proper washer there. Do you know how long # 10 should be ??
  Cranman on another note I want to know what you think about putting in the heavy duty diff in (4.86 gears) versus the light duty one that I have with (4.11 gears). I am dropping off my diff tomorrow to have it checked out. I have a heavy duty & a light duty one out back for spares.
  I think the 4.86 ratio will burn alot more gas than the 4.11 ratio. I got a new contact for a fellow in Quebec that is supposed to alot of parts... plus 25 bombers. I hope to get started on this rebuild again soon.
                                                                     A slack OT.

                                   
 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on April 21, 2011, 08:47:04 am

  While both machines are great, I like the lower rear corner sections on the machine in the pic on top . Anyone know which one is original ??

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: marcdds on April 21, 2011, 09:18:02 am
ya ot the top one is like original thats rattelmans machine best regards marc
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Averyman on April 22, 2011, 05:48:25 pm
On a '51 the origional shape is like in the bottom picture.  The top one does have a nicer look though....
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on April 22, 2011, 07:03:45 pm

  You are right Averyman, according to Rattleman. That machine on top is his. I just got off the phone from talking to him & he said they put that curve there to make it look better, plus he thinks it strengthens that corner area somewhat. He seems pretty knowledgeable about these machines.

                                                                                                       OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on June 28, 2011, 08:35:07 am

 Here are two sprockets that came off a metal bomber down here. It's the first time I've seen that. I thought these were for the woody only. Can they fit on a metal machine also ? He is going back into the woods to get the rear end for me. If that diff is belong to a woody, I may have a few parts to fix mine...

                                                                                      OT's ahh hoping it's good.   

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Cranman on June 28, 2011, 06:36:02 pm
I have them on my metal , in fact they were on all the metals up to 1954 or so. These look like the heavy aluminum sprockets. Some were a bit thinner. No reason they won't work on yours. Was the machine they were on a narrow? Not sure when the last cast ones were used, before 1950 I think. If you can get that diff it would be dandy.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on June 28, 2011, 07:40:17 pm

     Cranman that's interesting info, but if you look back a page or two in my rebuild you'll see a diff that Mike has. I noticed that it has a bigger diameter axle than mine.
   Is there a different size hub used for the metal bombers or one size fits all ?? Will the wheels line up with the tracks ?? I have to wait for my friend to get the diff out.
                                                    OT. thanks you...
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Cranman on June 28, 2011, 10:53:16 pm
The newer metals like Mikes were different and I thik Dave pointed out that you would have to make an off set hub if you want to use it, If the carrier is ok in your newfound diff, just put it in your housing and use your axles. It looks like the sprockets were put on inside out from the pics so it must of come off a narrow? See Orins pic of a proper set of aluminum sprockets on a narrow. Your diff won't have any trouble handling the 300 six. Lots of them around here with V8's, unless you are going to do some heavy freighting.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on June 29, 2011, 07:10:55 am
   Cranman the only heavy freighting this old woody will doing if I get her done is with me & a few friends... pretty well on the groomed trails.
  We'll have to wait "n" see when I get the diff. By the way Cranman what made you think these sprockets were on inside out ?? The hub is bolted on the same way as mine was & the bolts holding the belting were facing out.
                                                      OT.
                                                   
                  
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 26, 2011, 04:52:40 am

  Here are a few pics of my new diff. I have to wait to get it home in the next day or two to check out the inside of it. It looks like mine. This was in a metal bomber. It is a 1952 R12. Retmech told me about this one & he was out & got the diff out for me.

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http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/bomberdiff001.jpg

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   These two sprockets were on this diff. To me it looks like it was changed at one time.

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http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/sterling2.jpg
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on August 26, 2011, 07:51:09 am

   Cranman if this diff is original to the machine, would you know what the ratio of it would be ?? Mine is 4.11 & Mike's is 4.88....
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Cranman on August 26, 2011, 10:19:33 am
It will be 4.1 to 1. With those aluminum sprockets you should have it made. I'd have a look inside and if it was left full of oil as is normally the case, you should be good to go.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on September 13, 2011, 10:03:53 am

  I would like to thank Retmech & his boys for going in the woods & getting the diff out & the sprockets. Cranman I got the diff home & was I ever lucky. I got those 2 "woody" sprockets to boot. Here is a pic of the banjos. The closest is the newest & the one behind is my old one. Now I have spare gears, axles & a spare banjo.
   
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The new one has 3.91 gears, the old one has 4.11's. All the parts in the new one look good. I was told to put it together & try it as is. I plan to put in new oil seals, outer axle bearings & a pinion seal. The sprockets are a little different in thickness & shape, but nothing to worry about.

Here you can see the different ridge line. Mine is closest.http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT1084.jpg

 Here is my old one. Notice the ridge (shown by screwdriver tip)

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Here's the new ones I got. Notice the tips of each tooth. I noticed the tips are more pointy than my old one.

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Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: kpm on September 23, 2011, 05:46:15 pm
ot
      u should talk to ur old friend gr fishmaker he has a brand new narrow diff i sold him
                                                                                              kpm
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on September 23, 2011, 07:47:56 pm

  KPM I would ask him but I think he would want me to sell my house just for the down payment. Ha Ha.... I will get new bearings & seals for this one. It should be OK. A good trans/diff man looked at it & gave me thumbs up, plus the 3.91's should work better with the 300.

                                                                                                OT. 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on September 26, 2011, 05:41:32 pm

   Anyone know where I can buy a new pinion seal for my differential ?? My local supplier can't find one. The National Seal # is 451350.

                                                            The Old Trucker
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Muskeg Runer on September 28, 2011, 02:10:35 pm
I checked with my supplier and he said they were discontinued but they would make a batch with a minimum order of 250. Your next option is to take a set of calipers and measure the out side size on the diff and the size of the yoke and match one up that way.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on September 28, 2011, 05:27:48 pm
I checked with my supplier and he said they were discontinued but they would make a batch with a minimum order of 250. Your next option is to take a set of calipers and measure the out side size on the diff and the size of the yoke and match one up that way.

  Got that done already my friend. I got the same answer, But this ol' feller already has one up on them. I found a bunch of them in the Toronto area @ $48 bucks, plus Mr. Harper's share. This fellow said they are same as originals. Late 40's to early 50's Dodge cars & pickups.
  He sells them to people with bombers in Quebec, Ontario & Manitoba. Then 3 hrs. ago I got another call from Denver, Co. This fellow has them for $40 bucks plus shipping.
  I was told that the salesmen nowadays use the newer books. This fellow went back to the old school & BINGO... there it is. 
   National # is 451350. He crossed it to an older number, 5851, & gave me these dimensions. 3.130  OD  1.750  ID    500  width. It was the same as my national #. I will order it tomorrow. I hope everything works out OK.  I may be slow.. but I'm trying....
                                                                   
                                                                  The Old Trucker

                                 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: lakerguy on October 01, 2011, 11:36:20 am
  ... if I get her done...
                                                      OT.
                                                   
                  

What!  I sense new energy in your last posts though. Hell - you almost done. ;D

  Dave in Sask.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on October 01, 2011, 03:08:40 pm

   I wish.... I wish. I am trying to do what I can by myself. I know I can't do it all, but I'm just doing what I can when the old ticker allows it.....and the pocket book allows. I have to go in town for another checkup in a couple of weeks, so I think I'll see if they can advance the timing on my defibrillator a little to give me more git up & go.
  We're still gathering up parts while they are still FREE. My newer diff & aluminum sprockets came from RETMECH, while I think I have new sliding windows coming soon.

                                                                     OT.... still alive "n" kicking
 
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: lakerguy on October 01, 2011, 03:24:55 pm
 The play by play of your build has been an interesting read and I hope you see it through to its completion. What a day that first drive will be. I wish all the best to you OT.
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: orin on May 04, 2013, 10:56:51 pm
How are you doing with your bomber OT?
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Walrus on May 05, 2013, 05:23:01 am
How are you doing with your bomber OT?
Pics would be nice :)
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on May 08, 2013, 07:07:29 am

    Orin, Walrus & the rest of the members, thanks for asking about me. I haven't done very much at all with my bomber for a long time now. I think I have fallen ill to the couch potato syndrome. I had a fellow geared up to do my diff for me but after months of waiting I gave up on him. I now have it at another fellow's place. I called him last night & he has it pretty well done as he had other jobs that have priority over mine.
   I don't be out in the shed in the cold months cause the "BOSS" complains about the extra costs ($200.) on the light bill every month. I'm hoping to be back at it this summer. I was out of town for the last few days getting another check up. While there I bought a set of gauges & ignition & ignition switch so I can wire the engine with the help from Remtech. I am thinking about useing a Dodge power wagon rad as it is a bit shorter & the rad man says I can make it more efficent by adding an extra core to it, 4 versus 3...
    Walrus, as for pics, what I have are posted in my rebuild. I am still kicking. Doc says I'm too contrary to die yet.  Ha Ha !!!

                                                               This ol' fart's here for awhile yet !!!!                             
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Walrus on May 08, 2013, 04:09:18 pm

    Orin, Walrus & the rest of the members, thanks for asking about me. I haven't done very much at all with my bomber for a long time now. I think I have fallen ill to the couch potato syndrome. I had a fellow geared up to do my diff for me but after months of waiting I gave up on him. I now have it at another fellow's place. I called him last night & he has it pretty well done as he had other jobs that have priority over mine.
   I don't be out in the shed in the cold months cause the "BOSS" complains about the extra costs ($200.) on the light bill every month. I'm hoping to be back at it this summer. I was out of town for the last few days getting another check up. While there I bought a set of gauges & ignition & ignition switch so I can wire the engine with the help from Remtech. I am thinking about useing a Dodge power wagon rad as it is a bit shorter & the rad man says I can make it more efficent by adding an extra core to it, 4 versus 3...
    Walrus, as for pics, what I have are posted in my rebuild. I am still kicking. Doc says I'm too contrary to die yet.  Ha Ha !!!

                                                               This ol' fart's here for awhile yet !!!!                             
No big deal, sometimes its hard to motivate especially in the winter. I work outside alot so I won't freeze my butt off to work on a toy. I have many toys that never seem to get finished. I gear up and go wild and then something else takes my time and off to the back burner she goes. I have a 67 Mustang thats been worked on and then stored, worked on and then stored, etc etc. I've had it nearly 20 years and it still isn't done :D. Got it running the other day though, going to fix the brakes, register it, inspect it and smoke the tires this summer ;D. Its pretty ratty but mechanically its pretty decent(other than the brakes, sitting for years did that)
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on June 01, 2013, 12:37:13 pm

   Well I finally got my diff done with new bearings & seals. Got it all painted up & will install it. Been a long time but slowly getting back at it.  I'm getting a great help from member "Retmech".. He has a wiring harness for my engine & is getting it ready so I can install it myself.... hopefuly..

                                                                                 OT.... at it again.....
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: Walrus on June 02, 2013, 03:33:42 pm
Awesome, we need pics or it didn't get done :D
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: dpaulson on October 25, 2013, 07:00:37 pm
Hey OT,  How's the bomber coming? You gonna burn some fuel this winter?
Title: Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
Post by: the old trucker on October 26, 2013, 06:34:28 am

   Dave it's slow, very slow ! I have a diff ready to install, rad, need to get a drive shaft made, Retmech wired up a temporary dash for me so I can start the engine once in awhile to keep everything oiled up. I have a back load of grousers waiting to be cleaned up.
 There's a big roll of belting out by the side of my shed waiting to be cut into track belting for myself & Mike. There is an old woody in the woods that I want a couple parts from. There is lots of things I could be doing but first I have to get rid of the Couch Potato Syndrome. It's hard to shake clear.
   I have been talking to a fellow that lives up north from me that is building a R12 from a J5. I have seen it & it looks alright. Something like Dan Shavers, in size. I am gearing up a trip for up that way soon & will take my camera with me. Dave you got a spare # 12 steel nose boot around ? I think I can use it !!!

                                                                       OT's still around, just " A SLACKING "