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General Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: LT on January 01, 2011, 09:19:26 pm
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Finally went for a ride today. Took a couple of newbies for a tour around the city. I have a Ford 302 in my wide gauge, but seems to be lacking power. I think my pvc is plugged as seems to be spitting a little oil. Has anyone installed a new style fule injected engine in a wide gauge yet? Or any suggestions for which engine would be better.
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The old man originally switched to a 302 and had same problems. Changed up to a 351 windsor 2 barrel carb. Plenty of power and it's the same block. Just make sure the rad is as big as possible and nice and clean. Works real good with a c-4 tranny too.
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Happy New Year Larry,
Great looking machine you have there. I get a few guys at my shop saying "Larry in Yorkton got one'. Your fairly well known. That's a good thing when selling farm equipment. I think the metals would have really bad performance with the original 251- 6 banger. I have the 318 2v in mine and find that it needs more when braking a fresh trail across a field. I think I may look for a intake and 4v carb for it next summer. Maybe a cam also.
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Hi....so where is your shop Dpaulson? Ya..just changed fule filters in it and pvc. Seems to be working a bit better. I changed it up to an electronic ignition last year as I was tired of points! Need to change plug wires.
And your 318 you say needs a bit more power when braking trail. Thats what I am finding. I think it is simply a weight issue. Drove accross the scales yesterday and it weighs in at 2150 kgs...
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My shop is 3/4 m south of Wadena on Hwy 35.
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I still have the 251 6banger in my woody, it works quite hard and is very thirsty, when breaking a new trail. I would really like to put a Vortec small Chevy with the injection on it, but I hate to modify the mine that much right now.
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Here's a Chevy V6 (1996) that Glen (Glen's 59 new build) is using for a pattern in his build. He has clearance all around. Only problem he thinks is he'll have to make headers pointing up & back. The stock ones spread out too much.
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hy guys try slidders work great dont need as much power breaking trail
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Hi Marc
What type of slide suspension work the best? I've seen with either the center 2 wheels replaced, or the front 3 wheels replaced.
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in my books 3 wheel work the best we know that the solid one works great the semi articulated one should work as good but a little better ride
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Where can I find out some more information on the slider system - pics???
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There is some pics here. http://www.northerntracks.com/forum/index.php?topic=283.0 (http://www.northerntracks.com/forum/index.php?topic=283.0) I think it is more done in Quebec where the snowfall is generally greater than it is on the praries here. You are supposed to go through much deeper snow also. I think that the cleats should provide plenty of lubrication for the slides anywhere that you would have enough snow for decent steering. For myself being a newbie, I'm going to stick to tires for this year, but I would like to try sliders next winter. I'm still working the kinks out yet. I gotta pull the tranny as I have a seal leaking on the converter side.
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I had since tightened up my tracks and performance is better. Loose tracks seem to rob some hp if allowed to ride up on the drive sprockets. I had read the proper tightness is to be able to lift the track 2" with about 50 lbs force.
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..2 to 3 inches above the second tire from the front ...seems to work..
kpm
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Well...went to tune up the 302...as it was missing a bit and lacked some power. Changed plugs, then wires, fuel filters and then cleaned the carb. Thought that would do the trick. Ran a bit better but not great. Pulled the plug wires on # 2 and 3 and found they were not firing. Rotor was ok as was the cap so they were getting spark. Ran compression on #3 and nothing. #2 was low...so thought either a broken rocker or I am suspecting a leaking head gasket between these 2 cylinders. Pulled valve cover and rocker arms are fine. Tomorrow we will pull the head and see if we are any wiser. Hope we don't see cylinder detonation. So much for going for a ride today!!
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...might be piston valve ring..or head gasket trouble...the 302's are usually pretty tough.
kpm
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So can a guy do a rebuild in frame or is it easier to pull the engine? Have never pulled the engine out before, is there a simple way at all to pull this? or can I access the oil pan from the bottom?
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...you will have to pull the motor and transmission....it's alot of work....well it's out you might want to check the motor mounts..make sure they were fabricated correct...also it's a good time to have the rad done..new water pump..fuel pump..starter..plugs...block heater...exhaust dounuts...change tranny oil and filter....ect..
kpm
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And don't forget to change the FROST PLUGS. Their only 2 bucks apiece...Mine were rotten...
OT.
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Thanks OT and KPM....so what is the easiest way to pull the engine...is there room to pull it rearward by removing the rad etc? Will it fit through there or do you need to remove it through one of the side doors?
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lol..well i 've never taken one out through the side yet,...it will have to come out the back.put new u=joints too...or trailor it over here...you have the other one to use now.
kpm
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thanks for the info and the offer. We pulled the heads and as we suspected, the head gasket was shot. Apparently whomever rebuild this before we got it, never torqued the head bolts. Some were finger tight??? So the heads are out and off to get planed, and may as well redo valves and seats at the same time. Should be running hopefully in a couple of days.
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...make sure to change oil and filter..bearings dont care for antifreeze
kpm
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ya most definitely....thanks...hopefully the bearings will be ok....I know I had that concern and heck with my luck, you know what will happen...put the heads back on get it running and spin abottom bearing LOL...
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Well - we finally found the issue with the engine. We popped one head to check and found a blown head gasket. So took off the other head to inspect and found a cracked head. Had lots of fun trying to find a 302 head. Finally found one that would match and rebuildt them both. Installed new push rods while we were at it, new plusg, wires, coil, rbuilt the carb and installed electronic ignition. Walls look good and rings seemed fine. Went for a spin and wow nice to have 8 cylinders firing now!! Seems to have lots of power now. So we are back on the trails