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Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
« Reply #180 on: April 21, 2011, 08:47:04 am »

  While both machines are great, I like the lower rear corner sections on the machine in the pic on top . Anyone know which one is original ??

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Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
« Reply #181 on: April 21, 2011, 09:18:02 am »
ya ot the top one is like original thats rattelmans machine best regards marc

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« Reply #182 on: April 22, 2011, 05:48:25 pm »
On a '51 the origional shape is like in the bottom picture.  The top one does have a nicer look though....

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« Reply #183 on: April 22, 2011, 07:03:45 pm »

  You are right Averyman, according to Rattleman. That machine on top is his. I just got off the phone from talking to him & he said they put that curve there to make it look better, plus he thinks it strengthens that corner area somewhat. He seems pretty knowledgeable about these machines.

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« Reply #184 on: June 28, 2011, 08:35:07 am »

 Here are two sprockets that came off a metal bomber down here. It's the first time I've seen that. I thought these were for the woody only. Can they fit on a metal machine also ? He is going back into the woods to get the rear end for me. If that diff is belong to a woody, I may have a few parts to fix mine...

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« Reply #185 on: June 28, 2011, 06:36:02 pm »
I have them on my metal , in fact they were on all the metals up to 1954 or so. These look like the heavy aluminum sprockets. Some were a bit thinner. No reason they won't work on yours. Was the machine they were on a narrow? Not sure when the last cast ones were used, before 1950 I think. If you can get that diff it would be dandy.

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« Reply #186 on: June 28, 2011, 07:40:17 pm »

     Cranman that's interesting info, but if you look back a page or two in my rebuild you'll see a diff that Mike has. I noticed that it has a bigger diameter axle than mine.
   Is there a different size hub used for the metal bombers or one size fits all ?? Will the wheels line up with the tracks ?? I have to wait for my friend to get the diff out.
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« Reply #187 on: June 28, 2011, 10:53:16 pm »
The newer metals like Mikes were different and I thik Dave pointed out that you would have to make an off set hub if you want to use it, If the carrier is ok in your newfound diff, just put it in your housing and use your axles. It looks like the sprockets were put on inside out from the pics so it must of come off a narrow? See Orins pic of a proper set of aluminum sprockets on a narrow. Your diff won't have any trouble handling the 300 six. Lots of them around here with V8's, unless you are going to do some heavy freighting.

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« Reply #188 on: June 29, 2011, 07:10:55 am »
   Cranman the only heavy freighting this old woody will doing if I get her done is with me & a few friends... pretty well on the groomed trails.
  We'll have to wait "n" see when I get the diff. By the way Cranman what made you think these sprockets were on inside out ?? The hub is bolted on the same way as mine was & the bolts holding the belting were facing out.
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« Reply #189 on: August 26, 2011, 04:52:40 am »

  Here are a few pics of my new diff. I have to wait to get it home in the next day or two to check out the inside of it. It looks like mine. This was in a metal bomber. It is a 1952 R12. Retmech told me about this one & he was out & got the diff out for me.

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   These two sprockets were on this diff. To me it looks like it was changed at one time.

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Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
« Reply #190 on: August 26, 2011, 07:51:09 am »

   Cranman if this diff is original to the machine, would you know what the ratio of it would be ?? Mine is 4.11 & Mike's is 4.88....
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« Reply #191 on: August 26, 2011, 10:19:33 am »
It will be 4.1 to 1. With those aluminum sprockets you should have it made. I'd have a look inside and if it was left full of oil as is normally the case, you should be good to go.

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« Reply #192 on: September 13, 2011, 10:03:53 am »

  I would like to thank Retmech & his boys for going in the woods & getting the diff out & the sprockets. Cranman I got the diff home & was I ever lucky. I got those 2 "woody" sprockets to boot. Here is a pic of the banjos. The closest is the newest & the one behind is my old one. Now I have spare gears, axles & a spare banjo.
   
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The new one has 3.91 gears, the old one has 4.11's. All the parts in the new one look good. I was told to put it together & try it as is. I plan to put in new oil seals, outer axle bearings & a pinion seal. The sprockets are a little different in thickness & shape, but nothing to worry about.

Here you can see the different ridge line. Mine is closest.http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m366/theoldtrucker/PICT1084.jpg

 Here is my old one. Notice the ridge (shown by screwdriver tip)

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Here's the new ones I got. Notice the tips of each tooth. I noticed the tips are more pointy than my old one.

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Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
« Reply #193 on: September 23, 2011, 05:46:15 pm »
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      u should talk to ur old friend gr fishmaker he has a brand new narrow diff i sold him
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« Reply #194 on: September 23, 2011, 07:47:56 pm »

  KPM I would ask him but I think he would want me to sell my house just for the down payment. Ha Ha.... I will get new bearings & seals for this one. It should be OK. A good trans/diff man looked at it & gave me thumbs up, plus the 3.91's should work better with the 300.

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