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OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
« on: June 12, 2009, 06:01:02 am »

 











  Well here she is. Just waiting to get in side her new home. I am sizing things up for now to see if it's worth while to restore it. So far it looks good.
  All the springs & swing arms are coming off easily. I am tearing up the entire floor skin because it's pretty rusty in spots. The frame rails look good & it appears all the steering assembly is intact.
  So far it looks fair to good. If I decide to go ahead with this project, it will be slow going. Remember this is my first time at this. Even the adjusters came free !! And it looks like all the needle bearings in the arms are well packed in grease.
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Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2009, 06:43:52 pm »

  A few more pics of the old girl before she goes through those pearly white doors. I'm amazed at how everything is working. Even the 60 yr. old heater that was exposed to the weather for 20 yrs. still works when you put power to it.  Everything is all free. Even the old  style adjusters work.
  I took off all the belly pan. It needed replacing. Other than a new piece of small channel that supports the width of the back end, & a couple of odd pieces, the frame should be ready to sand blast & paint.













This is the piece of small channel I need to replace across the back in the pic below.





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Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 08:45:13 pm »
Right on OT, looks like you've got some work to do.  I'm sure with your eye for detail it will turn out pretty good.

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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2009, 06:48:02 pm »
  This is my first time taking anything like this apart. I have a backup mechanic just in case I screw up. I hope!!! 
Here's a shot of my side axles. It looks like one has a machined lip by the bearing. On the other one it looks like it has been welded.





In the third & fifth pic, It shows the damaged "spider" or "planetary" gear. Where the axle splines into the gear, you can see where the round section is gouged up a little.   






Below you'll see how the spline on the axle is gouged a little. I was told that this can be cleaned up with a fine file.



  Anyone have an idea if the gears from an older car or truck will fit ?? I was also told that those four gears can come out without taking everything apart.
  Swamp Dwag, can a good machinist weld a section on there & turn it down ?? I'm open to all suggestions!!
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2009, 04:58:37 am »

    She's NAKED !!!!
 
  Yes sir, I finally got her stripped down & she's not bad looking for her age either. The frame is looking good for sitting in the weather for 30 to 40 yrs. My son gave me a new camera so I wouldn't be taking his all the time. All I have to do now is figure out how it works.
  They finished the frame yesterday afternoon. He has to etch prime the trailer he just did & said he should have enough left to do my frame. That stuff is only good for 8 hrs. after it's mixed, so just as well to put it to use. He should be doing that today or tomorrow.
  I have pics of the process on the camera but I'm having trouble putting them on the computer. Should have more when I figure all this out.
                     
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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2009, 07:56:21 am »

   
   Here are a couple of pics of her starting to be blasted. I think the material he is using is called black shot ?? I found a way to transfer the pics but it's going to be slow.











  The trailer in the second last pic is what he just did. When he primes that, mine will be done after.
I have more pics which I will put on later.

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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2009, 02:31:21 pm »
  HERE"S THE LATEST UPDATE FROM THE OLD TRUCKER !!!

  Sorry about not having these up before. I'm trying to get used to my new camera.













  I'm starting to clean up between the frame rails & cross members so I can slide in the new belly pan in two pieces & get it welded in place. Then new angle iron for the sides & new plate for around the engine area. So far I've lucked out good with parts. I bought 3 rims, a brand new smooth tire(sticker still on it!!) & 2 boggies for $25 bucks. Next week I will pick up a ski, two front doors, a motor door & I think a rad door. All for about $40 bucks of gas.
  I can get a 1996 Ford 6 cylinder fuel injected engine & trans for $ 300.00. I'm a little uneasy about the idea of the engine. I sort of want a carbureted engine. What are your thoughts on this ??  
  Oh well.. I got to go make more phone calls on more parts.

   I forgot to say that they put 2 & 1/2 coats of etching primer on & then had about 1 & 1/2 coats of industrial primer left so on it went also.  Beggars can't be particular !!!
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2009, 08:56:57 am »

  I can get a 1996 ford 300 EFI engine for $100 bucks. He says it will need a new fuel pump. I know I will need the computer & all the sensors plus a transmission for it. I also found an older working 250 Chev/trans combo ( carbed )  for $100.00. Anyone think the Chevy is too under powered for a narrow gauge woody ??
 
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2009, 09:18:07 am »
  "Quote from 52 Buildup Progress"
   
52 Buildup Progress
on: March 27, 2007, 11:24:49 PM Quote 

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   We have been busy this winter on our 52.
   Here are a few pics of the steps along the way.
   More to come as well.

   We took out the Ford 300 6cyl tore it down and had it bored out .020.  Put all new ignition parts, carb,  tranny cooler etc.
Took the C6 tranny out as well and had it overhauled and put in a heavy duty torque converter.
Built a caliper brake setup off of the corporate GM 14bolt differential.
Built a removable belly pan.  (Ever machine needs one!)Built 2 new sets of tracks.
Installed the upgrade shock tower mounts from Shaver Ind.

  Swamp Dawg can you tell me how you installed the removable belly pan ?? I plan on doing this before putting paint on the frame.
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Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2009, 07:36:57 pm »
OT..I had a 48 wooden narrow with the 250 chev auto...it was great lots of power..it was a camel back style engine....grfishmaker,bought it from me
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Re: OT'S 47-51 ??? Rebuild ??
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2009, 08:01:22 pm »

   Can a fellow still buy a rebuild kit for the 250 Chev ?? If so what would be in the kit ?? Rings, bearings, gaskets ? There's a 56 narrow about 40 miles from me that has a 250 c/w automatic trans in it. He says he don't have any trouble with his.
   I think I can get the original flat head that she came with, but he said it's seized. Then I'd have to find a trans for it. I think it would turn into a lot of bucks. I had a 73 Nova with a 250 for 9 yrs. & never had a hitch with the motor.   
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2009, 08:25:35 pm »
...yup...it was a strong motor,i'm told you can still get the parts required for a rebuild..if needed..the auto tranny is nice,...that been said....I still have had great luck with the flat head and standard...no speed demon...fairly light though and lots of low end power if you have a motor thats not tired...
    the 250 was comparable to the 300's i've had....the only thing that out performed them all was the 302 i had in the narrow,and only on the high end of things....packed trail.....maybe try a 300 /auto...very little mods required to put in the narrow,quite easy to find with electonic ingition and carburated...and lots of torque!!...juz my thoughts....u know where to send the penny..!!

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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2009, 07:41:07 pm »

  Another couple of pics of how I am trying to do this right. I had the bogie's off & cleaned up & reinstalled it all with a fresh coat of grease & all new nuts & bolts. As you can see there was still lots of grease after 50 yrs. of sitting. I bought the six springs down to be blasted so I can prime, paint & install them.
   









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  I think I may change all the inner sleeves that hold the needles in place. The two on the back axle have grooves worn into them where the needles were touching it. Also the 2 caps that hold the bearings in the boggie are worn pretty bad. Luckily I had a couple extras.
  You can see the grooving in the sleeve in the boggie. These are not too bad. It's just the 2 with the track adjusters. I measured the axle shaft & it is only out of round by 2 thousands of an inch. Some bogies had 40 needles in them & others had 39 & 38 in them.

 
   


  If any one thinks I am doing something wrong or going overboard with any of this PLEASE let me know. We're doing this on a wing & a prayer & hoping for miracles !!!
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2009, 09:26:44 pm »
LOt easier to do it now . Defenitly building her from the bottom up, Looks good for what you started with,keep up the good work!!

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2009, 02:43:45 am »

   Thanks Gror !!  I looked @ three 250 Chev engines that have the manifold made onto the head. They all have the manifold cracked. I was warned before to stay away from that style.
   I am going to look @ a 292 Chev that was working up to 2 weeks ago till he started to scrap her. I think it's in the 80's. It had a standard transmission, but I can get a 3 speed automatic that should bolt right up to it. I know of a fellow that has a 250 in his bomber. I will check his out, looking for tips & pics !!
         
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